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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309336 Archived-At: Dmitry Gutov writes: > Releasing a new Emacs, say, even 6 month won't suddenly turn it into a > crashing mess. But we would get more and faster feedback for new > features and changes. > > That's the main issue why we have to drag on the release schedule: we > don't get reports of regressions soon enough after introducing > them. So we have to wait months for the users to try and report back. > > How to change that? Either make releases more often, or make snapshot > releases more prominent and easier to try, or improve the bug > reporting experience so that more people do that. Or all of that > together, of course. > > In this thread specifically I'm talking about number 3. There's no problem with our bug reporting process: anyone can send an e-mail, and we furnish an easy means of doing so by way of emacsbug. As for Mozilla, > I wonder what wonderful curious bug reports we would also get if we > had the number of users that Firefox has. I've long since forfeited any aspirations of reporting Firefox bugs. Their intractable bug tracker (no pun intended) won't permit me to sign in to my account, which is required to report issues with their bug tracker... It would be a shame for Emacs to endure the same degradation.