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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309826 Archived-At: Danny Freeman writes: >> Of course the naming issue is real, > Yes, I'm glad to see you acknowledge this as an issue. The naming issue > is all I'm trying to speak to right now. Well, again, you are putting the cart before the horse (and yes, I know earlier I wrote "bulls in front of carriage", which is comically wrong). > In no particular order: > - Clojure-mode has built in refactoring tools, not all of which exist in > clojure-lsp (to the best of my knowledge). An example or two would be nice.=20=20 > - Clojure-mode provides an API for tools like CIDER and inf-clojure to > interact with clojure buffers. > - Clojure-mode integrates with CIDER to allow clojure macros and > functions to define indentation rules as part of their metadata. I'm > not sure if it will even be possible for clojure-ts-mode to do this. It seems you are saying that it is tightly coupled with CIDER. Is this API described anywhere? > There is nothing very special about clojure-ts-mode that I develop right > now. It is a work in progress and far from finished. It's not even quite > to the point where I can dogfood it at work yet. A long term goal is to > provide everything clojure-mode provides for CIDER with > clojure-ts-mode. I might have missed some important from yourself, but if clojure-ts-mode is in such stages of infancy and you are its author, why don't you consider placing clojure-ts-mode in a GNU repository? If CIDER is such a fundamental tool (like SLIME and SLY are for Common Lisp) your long-term goals would decidely also apply to any future GNU Clojure mode for Emacs. >> Can you say if CIDER is prepared to >> work with major modes other than the NonGNU Clojure mode? > > No I cannot, as I am not a CIDER developer. It seems you already answered this question above, when you said that NonGNU clojure-mode provides an API for CIDER to call into. Jo=C3=A3o