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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311581 Archived-At: On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 10:55:24 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Stephen Berman >> Cc: Emanuel Berg , emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 09:34:39 +0200 >> >> On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 07:54:12 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> >> > (featurep 'cl-lib) =3D> nil >> > >> > both in GUI and TTY (i.e. -nw) sessions. >> >> I also get this in a freshly updated build from master both with -Q and >> with -Q -nw. In a freshly updated build from emacs-29 I also get it >> with -Q -nw, but with just -Q (i.e. the GUI) it returns `t', and >> evaluating `features' returns (time-date subr-x cl-loaddefs cl-lib >> rmc...). And in a GUI build from master from October 8, (featurep >> 'cl-lib) returns `t' and features returns (time-date subr-x cl-loaddefs >> cl-lib rmc...). > > Please try figuring out what loads cl-lib in your case, as I cannot > reproduce this with the latest emacs-29 branch. Neither can I now; I must have mistakenly used the previous build of emacs-29 (also from October 8), which was still open. Sorry for the false alarm. Steve Berman