From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2023 21:36:42 +0200 Message-ID: <87a5s2ilo5.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <831qdlpoye.fsf@gnu.org> <83sf5xhnym.fsf@gnu.org> <871qdhk49w.fsf@dataswamp.org> <25914.49745.111873.734458@orion.rgrjr.com> <87jzr6iutu.fsf@dataswamp.org> <834jiad1gd.fsf@gnu.org> <87cywyimz2.fsf@dataswamp.org> <831qded0do.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23869"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:zjQXE0qmfzEKeAMiRVM8B488IIo= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 29 06:32:26 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qwyPR-0005zj-Ok for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 06:32:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwyOZ-00060R-6U; Sun, 29 Oct 2023 01:31:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwp7C-00031J-03 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 15:36:58 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qwp79-0002ah-PO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 15:36:57 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qwp76-00046s-0T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2023 21:36:52 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 01:31:28 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311968 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>> $ grep -E -h -o 'cl-[-a-z]*' **/*.el | sort | uniq -c | sort -r -b -n | >>>> head -n 10 >>>> >>>> 1416 cl-defmethod >>>> 979 cl-loop >>>> 720 cl-incf >>>> 614 cl-lib >>>> 486 cl-assert >>>> 309 cl-letf >>>> 303 cl-seq >>>> 281 cl-defstruct >>>> 257 cl-defgeneric >>>> 227 cl-case >>> >>> Some of these are macros in cl-macs, so not relevant to the >>> discussion about cl-lib. >> >> It is everything, remove the last 'head -n 10' to get it. > > What I wrote is valid even without 'head -n 10'. My point is > that this kind of list is not useful for this discussion. Of course what you say is valid, since some part of everything is always something. -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal