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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313093 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I think you are over-engineering this. That a key has different > bindings in different major modes is nothing new in Emacs. Moreover, > smartphone apps are also inconsistent in what the Back button does in > each situation. > > So I don't see why we need to worry about this, let alone pretend > there's some deep internal issue here. Perhaps you bumped into some > specific situation, and then tried to generalize it too much. In that > case, I suggest to describe the original issue, not its > generalizations. I did describe three specific scenarios that I come across frequently: Info, Help and Gnus Article buffers. Besides those, there are also pop-ups displayed by the likes of VC, dired-mouse-find-file-other-window, and virtually every other caller of display-buffer. With these, I'd rather Back dismissed the new window altogether than switch to whatever window previous-buffer selects.