From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Mendler via "Emacs development discussions." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Ada-mode to be abandoned? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314712 Archived-At: Stefan Kangas writes: > Daniel Mendler via "Emacs development discussions." > writes: > >> In the case of Heex I see this package header: >> >> ;;; heex-ts-mode.el --- Major mode for Heex with tree-sitter support -*- lexical-binding: t; -*- >> ;; ... >> ;; This package provides `heex-ts-mode' which is a major mode for editing >> ;; HEEx files that uses Tree Sitter to parse the language. >> >> Then there is this NEWS entry: >> >> *** New major mode 'heex-ts-mode'. >> A major mode based on the tree-sitter library for editing HEEx files. >> >> This information is not helpful for a newcomer. On the other hand if you >> are already an Elixir/Heex user, it should not pose a difficulty for you >> to find the appropriate packages on GNU ELPA. > > Why would newcomers be perusing NEWS? They will just open their heex > file and see that they already have syntax highlighting. The information here could be slightly more helpful. On the other hand every bit of added information has a small associated cost, it adds a little noise, which makes it harder to filter out the information relevant for the user. This mirrors the point raised by Dmitry earlier, where he mentioned that as a developer, he has to scroll over a lot of mails and diffs related to packages, which could also be developed and distributed on GNU ELPA. I don't have a particular opinion about Elixir/Heex. Keeping it in core or on ELPA are both reasonable alternatives. From my understanding, Elixir is not a fringe language. My opinion is different in cases like Bicep. It has a specialised use case, promotes Azure and may also become obsolete when Azure changes. (Sorry that I am again conflating the discussions of Ada, Elixir and Bicep.) If one looks at lisp/progmodes there are a few modes which seem mainly of historical interest. While VSCode may be a good example for out of the box support, I believe they would also drop support for something quickly if it falls out of interest. This is not a good thing and I like the Emacs backward compatibility story much more. But when something gets added one probably wants to be sure that it will stay useful for a longer time and that it is useful for a significant fraction of the users. Daniel