From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Moving core packages to ELPA [Was: Re: Why not include all ELPA packages in an Emacs release?] Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2024 17:55:56 +0200 Message-ID: <87a5jvh1ir.fsf@gmx.de> References: <87bk4ql3u5.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <864jagu9ji.fsf@gnu.org> <86bk4nsx6k.fsf@gnu.org> <871q588lw6.fsf@jeremybryant.net> <86o78cdkr6.fsf@gnu.org> <87frtnhn2g.fsf@gmx.de> <867cezesn3.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19564"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, philipk@posteo.net To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 08 17:56:39 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sFyQo-0004ts-Jv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 08 Jun 2024 17:56:38 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sFyQR-0000VX-7N; Sat, 08 Jun 2024 11:56:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sFyQP-0000Ue-Fe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 08 Jun 2024 11:56:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sFyQM-0004ln-Ed; Sat, 08 Jun 2024 11:56:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1717862162; x=1718466962; i=michael.albinus@gmx.de; bh=mELi4WZiU7O+hCrK27n5+eDtu6D/bUxNEEo11Lmz/vE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date: Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:cc:content-transfer-encoding: content-type:date:from:message-id:mime-version:reply-to:subject: to; b=GXMnEsmg+jJhRQupn6haFaK290wamPlCCoLToY+J0p6P2fxRclq0OY69diqeH2tn A4JcYZGRGZC2917xA2dX35+mplqOcFcMsWCOZf+LusDitxHHqlw97Teydg5kAfon/ 4uuo7cAmUUlmW/rlrHPc1ymnzgeH7H3OI+DpvohQ1DLzythUSMrBXB4jv2K1XmdNs OLMGKNgyYIViGiXQVOJGQArOe7awEaSYPgoVJrwb57F3FysEtuq4ZptMlRRdIxkJh eYJQlXqxgje2NPI4Xjb9pxUvR9EkJvJBXmrrWWP7U3EPduRJ4/eALkCogOxILYBnG 6AvPSkllIUu09UOiKw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Original-Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.39.18]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N1fn0-1sR02L42vo-00vxym; Sat, 08 Jun 2024 17:56:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: <867cezesn3.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 08 Jun 2024 11:38:24 +0300") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:4YxHBqSM8X3fXsE/FbfTvlZqckR6wvZzQZzsciUxJu6/olelf15 0Each+SpSiHTVbKFUVO5uyWUwKbRMfO/XInGvc/QJp+LHlaHogsQzOIlfr3vfsmgP0JT75R YADrhNVlFEwFlHrCE8vJyqrjhfJeTxZXRmZKbS1yl0e7fjgqadVWciQgD4UkWc3eAnnzljF DV0lJoev8udo39p9id1vQ== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:5RXDzH1c274=;CVQ8e9rT6LU2ugEUk7/gZcjyfZ3 mVDXaX04NEXzEEs0tvUtE7aKQTKhq2nJ96oNhJee58yTjoU86SnfrJu7G3BqBww3p+//Tse6z bwawGSVHc3a6xrs0lRGd0qs522pJk9Npq5RinERN6stg0tQf0bqffVfOGQnR6CblmEwKm0STZ 5k16+UswzoXL7ND6oNgpK/DTG6J6VM7MqAUjYcbG9hBMkH/1SUS4Hrn9a99TGPBNC0cbkv0uS XpefomHfZzfrQyvqlNl5aQp+EHBUfvtB+/iPXLFoHZeaxNB6i7z6ie4eyvvhQh0YgrxKONb2D hRF4iA3gRG0JUjtoLmdk9T3E2QcXOiKzqmBQWlJYXfB9NWoD0p2id6YCBvl/qE1uHDNltNhgM pkcYltsR9mHkWGpgy6koZ6RUIW2Tomij/AOXMBMMLwxdb7F9mUgS3UKJ/0zO/kL4kqjnScL63 efOgXPyqHi31SYG2oK0FZpUtCBZQOOY+kIbUzD+KhQ1pnHLNV7aGA0jFVbfweYSo7wWmBfyxm A1B8m8SL0hb8VR1VYqEKGrctA1KkzdWQ/DeFtXwdB2n/wuz5O4mSWH5h7rJtPCkmqiNKQbq5+ L/Qd/mQtDQ3A/ub8W+DOU2iw8w4/zPuV5Xuy5EB6rDEIZCXYMgcGk0HQ9eRs/bHnDrsFyAoT9 tQPUAgsoz+0ei5OHUFvTxXt8dwjiH9tC9hJEwMXkit2nF0lBMjnJN8PtNoqFLYTB4uIZSz07T 8VexTuP+76PiX+n2LPKznVd/hjr8JNagfUlvETgScWbMHET8ApBfwAzbSK/WVO31IpasKbk/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.15.19; envelope-from=michael.albinus@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:319906 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: Hi Eli, >> One aspect are regression tests. Tramp has ca 100 test cases in >> tramp-tests.el. I don't know whether they run out-of-the-box with the >> Tramp ELPA package. And it would be a big miss if they won't run by the >> regular "make check" of Emacs. These regression tests are an infinite >> source of indications, what is still missing to be fixed in Tramp. > > Does this mean Tramp on the master branch of elpa.git and Tramp on the > master branch of emacs.git are different? Yes. > If not, then why don't you know whether Tramp on ELPA succeeds in the > tests that Tramp in Emacs does? I simply didn't try. At least the subdirectory structure is different, and the Makefile is not prepared for starting tests. I suppose, these points are not difficult to solve, but it must be done. > Anyway, what to do with tests of a core package that is on ELPA is an > interesting question. I guess the tests should also be moved out of > emacs.git to ELPA, and should be brought/updated into the tree when > the package is updated? Again, my major concern is, that in this case the tests will be applied less frequently, if even. Those tests, not triggered by myself, are also a good indication whether everything is OK on platforms I don't have access to. See bug#71235 for a recent example. Best regards, Michael.