From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Karl Fogel Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Permission to use portions of the recent GNU Emacs Manual Date: 13 Dec 2004 20:56:02 -0600 Message-ID: <878y81a8ql.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> References: <878y84t52h.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> <01c4e091$Blat.v2.2.2$b6626d00@zahav.net.il> Reply-To: kfogel@red-bean.com NNTP-Posting-Host: deer.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1102993388 18989 80.91.229.6 (14 Dec 2004 03:03:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 03:03:08 +0000 (UTC) Cc: David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org, xemacs-beta@xemacs.org Original-X-From: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Tue Dec 14 04:03:02 2004 Return-path: Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org ([199.184.165.135] ident=ident-user) by deer.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ce2xq-0006Ol-00 for ; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 04:03:02 +0100 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBE2uBLC007010; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:56:17 -0500 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBE2uA2G007004 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:56:10 -0500 Original-Received: (from xemacweb@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBE2uAXs007003 for xemacs-beta-mailman@xemacs.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:56:10 -0500 Original-Received: from gwyn.tux.org (ident-user@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBE2u93b006989 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:56:09 -0500 Original-Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id iBE2u4D8006984 for xemacweb@tux.org; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:56:04 -0500 Original-Received: from pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (pimout5-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.63.73]) by gwyn.tux.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id iBE2u3C4006979 for ; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:56:03 -0500 Original-Received: from floss.red-bean.com (adsl-66-73-172-37.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net [66.73.172.37]) by pimout5-ext.prodigy.net (8.12.10 milter /8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBE2thEZ142966; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 21:55:52 -0500 Original-Received: from kfogel by floss.red-bean.com with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1Ce2r4-000368-00; Mon, 13 Dec 2004 20:56:02 -0600 Original-To: bob@rattlesnake.com Emacs: ... it's not just a way of life, it's a text editor! In-Reply-To: Original-Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3.50 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.80/622/Wed Dec 8 08:36:53 2004 clamav-milter version 0.80j on gwyn.tux.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Status: Clean X-XEmacs-List: beta X-BeenThere: xemacs-beta@xemacs.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: XEmacs Beta Testers List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Errors-To: xemacs-beta-bounces@xemacs.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.xemacs.beta:17453 gmane.emacs.devel:31093 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:31093 "Robert J. Chassell" writes: > Instead, I have tried to say that the goal is to persuade others to > choose the GFDL over a `Creative Commons license with a commercial > restriction' or similar license. The GFDL is better. There's been much contrasting of the GFDL w/ the GPL, or the GFDL with a "Creative Commons license with commercial restriction". I've never meant to suggest either of those, but rather licenses similar to the Creative Commons Plain Attribution or ShareAlike. (Note: I'm not advocating using an actual Creative Commons license, I'm just trying to shake us out of this rut in which the only alternatives to the GFDL are the GPL or some overly-restrictive Creative Commons license). This thread has been very active, so I apologize if my question below doesn't take into account something someone said. I tried to read all the posts, but might have missed a few. Anyway: For Emacs, what advantages does the GFDL have over (say) Creative Commons Plain Attribution or Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike? Again, this is only about the application of the GFDL to Emacs, *not* about the GFDL in general. -Karl