From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: main.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Stefan Monnier Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Eliminating "changed in Emacs outside of Customize" Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:45:29 -0500 Message-ID: <878y65mnyz.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> References: <87lla8xdps.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1107460423 18403 80.91.229.2 (3 Feb 2005 19:53:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 19:53:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Per Abrahamsen , drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 03 20:53:42 2005 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Cwn2i-000180-TZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 20:53:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwnG6-0008A9-L7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:07:22 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CwnDs-0007FE-5r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:05:04 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1CwnDm-0007Bc-DV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:05:01 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CwnDl-00079z-H3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 15:04:57 -0500 Original-Received: from [209.226.175.93] (helo=tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Cwmuw-0007RF-Ec; Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:45:30 -0500 Original-Received: from alfajor ([67.71.119.41]) by tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050203194529.NIWU1694.tomts36-srv.bellnexxia.net@alfajor>; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:45:29 -0500 Original-Received: by alfajor (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5AADFD72EC; Thu, 3 Feb 2005 14:45:29 -0500 (EST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:12:47 -0500") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/21.3.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org X-MailScanner-To: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Xref: main.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:32835 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:32835 > The "Changed outside customize" has been a great help for me to catch > those hooks, setq's and poorly written major modes, and I think Emacs > has improved because of it, by fixing the modes and rethinking the > hooks. I think it'd be useful to add a warning/prompt when saving, along the lines of "set outside customize: saving may not work". With such a warning, we could drop the "changed outside customize" state (well: keep it internally, of course, but not show it to the user) and still know that users won't be surprised when things don't work. Stefan