From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GTK file selector Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:33:19 +0900 Message-ID: <878xuic9xs.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <1134552456.439fe58850f31@imp5-g19.free.fr> <878xuma53q.fsf@jurta.org> <17313.37186.344268.487103@parhasard.net> <87d5jxsgib.fsf@jurta.org> <17314.42778.220813.47226@parhasard.net> <17315.7877.155144.973236@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <85irtoadgf.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87lkyk62zc.fsf@marant.org> <85acf0a9zx.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <87zmmzoov9.fsf@marant.org> <853bkr92a0.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <871x0apnrl.fsf@marant.org> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1134945425 7691 80.91.229.2 (18 Dec 2005 22:37:05 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 22:37:05 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Dec 18 23:36:55 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo76z-0008P6-Pv for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 23:34:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo77n-00056j-PF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:35:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo76f-0004n3-QW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:34:17 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo76d-0004mR-T3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:34:17 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Eo76d-0004mM-PL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:34:15 -0500 Original-Received: from [203.216.5.72] (helo=smtp02.dentaku.gol.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA:16) (Exim 4.34) id 1Eo79S-0000QV-Uc; Sun, 18 Dec 2005 17:37:11 -0500 Original-Received: from 203-216-96-133.dsl.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.96.133] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp02.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1Eo75k-0001VS-Qq; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:33:20 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5B1AA2F80; Mon, 19 Dec 2005 07:33:20 +0900 (JST) Original-To: =?utf-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWU=?= Marant System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: <871x0apnrl.fsf@marant.org> (=?utf-8?B?SsOpcsO0bWU=?= Marant's message of "Sun, 18 Dec 2005 13:56:14 +0100") Original-Lines: 23 X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:48015 Archived-At: J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Marant writes: > And let's be honest, Emacs is not going to provide any of the nice > features that Eclipse provides these days. And Eclipse is free, runs > with a free Java Platform, is extensible, and so on. I dunno; my experience with Eclipse is pretty underwhelming -- lots of flashy widgets, and no doubt some powerful functions, but completely infuriating to use. It seems to require that you buy into an entire style of programming in order to use it at all (as opposed to Emacs, which is "just" a text-editor, "just" a debugger interface, and "just" a build invoker). That is, Emacs just works with what you already have (or doesn't work with it -- but if you were to extend Emacs to do so, you'd make Emacs use existing tools), but Eclipse seems to say "change the way you work to suit the development tools." -miles --=20 "An atheist doesn't have to be someone who thinks he has a proof that there can't be a god. He only has to be someone who believes that the evidence on the God question is at a similar level to the evidence on the werewolf question." [John McCarthy]