From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Miles Bader Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel,gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs Subject: Re: [22.1.90]: Point before start of properties Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:09:13 +0900 Message-ID: <878x1cmynq.fsf@catnip.gol.com> References: <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702E48034@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <87wspcj0ou.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702EED4A1@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB76702EEDA6E@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB7670300E86B@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB7670305B82C@maileube01.misys.global.ad> <6EE216E1AA959543A555C60FF34FB7670305BF82@maileube01.misys.global.ad> Reply-To: Miles Bader NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1203718179 7146 80.91.229.12 (22 Feb 2008 22:09:39 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:09:39 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 22 23:10:04 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JSg5j-0006jd-JM for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 23:10:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSg5E-0003QD-6a for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:09:32 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSg5A-0003Py-Fb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:09:28 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JSg58-0003Ph-29 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:09:27 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JSg57-0003Pe-SE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:09:25 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSg57-0000I1-Ty for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:09:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1JSg57-0002wg-Ed for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:09:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSg54-0000HF-Kb for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:09:25 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp11.dentaku.gol.com ([203.216.5.73]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JSg50-0000FV-OL; Fri, 22 Feb 2008 17:09:19 -0500 Original-Received: from 203-216-97-013.dsl.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.97.13] helo=catnip.gol.com) by smtp11.dentaku.gol.com with esmtpa (Dentaku) id 1JSg4y-0006Hx-3n; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:09:16 +0900 Original-Received: by catnip.gol.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id DEB912FF7; Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:09:14 +0900 (JST) System-Type: i686-pc-linux-gnu In-Reply-To: (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 22 Feb 2008 18:27:59 +0200") Original-Lines: 15 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV GOL (outbound) X-Abuse-Complaints: abuse@gol.com X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:90025 gmane.emacs.pretest.bugs:21272 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> It's one thing to let people try to debug optimized code, >> and quite another to go to great lengths to make it easier. >> GCC has never done that. > > Debugging GCC-optimized (under -O2) code is not just hard, it's > downright impossible! Oh, geez, stop with the exaggeration... Sometimes it's maddening, other times it's not a problem. -Miles -- We live, as we dream -- alone....