From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Short explanation for & in key ! of dired Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:30:04 +0300 Organization: JURTA Message-ID: <878wwqwj5v.fsf@jurta.org> References: <87hcbkpo0e.fsf@gmail.com> <86y74wzeq1.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <874p7ifonh.fsf@jurta.org> <853an2oupp.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <86skv0s8go.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1214609688 4495 80.91.229.12 (27 Jun 2008 23:34:48 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 23:34:48 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Lynbech Christian , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jun 28 01:35:33 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KCNTU-00068G-Pj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 01:35:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35876 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KCNSe-0005y7-VN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:34:37 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KCNSa-0005xq-K7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:34:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KCNSY-0005xa-Ta for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:34:32 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42835 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KCNSY-0005xV-Nf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:34:30 -0400 Original-Received: from anti-4.kiev.sovam.com ([62.64.120.202]:58829) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KCNST-0005lF-UY; Fri, 27 Jun 2008 19:34:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [83.170.232.243] (helo=smtp.svitonline.com) by anti-4.kiev.sovam.com with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1KCNSR-0007jk-Ow; Sat, 28 Jun 2008 02:34:24 +0300 In-Reply-To: <86skv0s8go.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> (David Kastrup's message of "Thu, 26 Jun 2008 14:10:15 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.0.60 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) X-Scanner-Signature: 0a21689c2f1d2e94d8aa83f1a1b60733 X-DrWeb-checked: yes X-SpamTest-Envelope-From: juri@jurta.org X-SpamTest-Group-ID: 00000000 X-SpamTest-Header: Trusted X-SpamTest-Info: Profiles 4129 [June 26 2008] X-SpamTest-Info: {received from trusted relay: common white list} X-SpamTest-Info: {HEADERS: header Content-Type found without required header Content-Transfer-Encoding} X-SpamTest-Method: white ip list X-SpamTest-Rate: 10 X-SpamTest-Status: Trusted X-SpamTest-Status-Extended: trusted X-SpamTest-Version: SMTP-Filter Version 3.0.0 [0278], KAS30/Release X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: FreeBSD 6.x (1) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:100077 Archived-At: > Lynbech Christian writes: > >>>>>>> "joakim" == joakim writes: >> >> joakim> Exactly my observation too. But sometimes you still need to see the >> joakim> output when debugging, often post-mortem, so to speak. >> >> i would like to add a "me too" here. >> >> I am also not interested in output for GUI apps, *except* when something >> goes wrong, then I often find that I wished for the output. >> >> A possible middle ground would be to redirect output to a temporary >> file. then it will not affect emacs and still be available for >> debugging, should the need arise. > > One temporary non-saved buffer for all that does not accumulate more > than a specified maximum (similar to *Messages*) should be fine, I > think. Everyone has different needs in different circumstances. I often execute long-running programs in background and want to see their output, but don't care about output when running GUI apps. -- Juri Linkov http://www.jurta.org/emacs/