From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: eshell-defgroup. Do we really need this? Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:18:15 +0900 Message-ID: <878wvgm4mw.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20080729222754.GC2208@muc.de> <86myjx3lt8.fsf@lifelogs.com> <48921019.6030308@gmail.com> <8663qk3g0w.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87y73giryj.fsf@elegiac.orebokech.com> <86iquk1nsk.fsf@lifelogs.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217649809 498 80.91.229.12 (2 Aug 2008 04:03:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 04:03:29 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ted Zlatanov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 02 06:04:19 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KP8Lq-0004Re-T9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 06:04:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51003 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KP8Kw-0002od-9d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:03:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KP8Ks-0002oN-CM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:03:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KP8Kq-0002nk-PF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:03:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=53432 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KP8Kq-0002nh-I8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:03:16 -0400 Original-Received: from mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.224]:59497) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KP8Kq-0008CE-0B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 00:03:16 -0400 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps02.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8D98002; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:03:14 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4A0D41A25C3; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:18:15 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: <86iquk1nsk.fsf@lifelogs.com> X-Mailer: VM ?bug? under XEmacs 21.5.21 (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101936 Archived-At: Ted Zlatanov writes: > On Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:08:04 +0200 Romain Francoise wrote: > RF> My experience with running this buildbot (and others) suggests that > RF> there is little value in doing this; buildbot does a clean build > RF> every time so if it fails then we can be fairly sure that CVS is > RF> broken. > > You think so even considering the large amount of people that would get > this report? I'd rather be cautious and have at least one confirmation > of the failure before reporting it. But, of course, it's your > choice--as long as we report something. Romain's right, you don't need confirmation. If a clean build breaks, it's broke. What to do about it is another question. XEmacs has a separate list for build reports, whether user-contributed or automatic. From Richard's comments about the BTS, I'd put money on him wanting a separate list for this, too. (That's 'cause I really like the odds, not because I speak for Richard.) Works for us. (We don't use buildbot, yet.) Python core just assumes that people (and in particular the release engineers) will be watching the buildbot's waterfall URL. Works for them. Python also has a system of "community" (ie, apps written in Python) buildbots with the intent of notifying somebody that the dev lines of Python are breaking stable builds. Current status is "failing miserably", as nobody pays attention to them. That is For reasons that I don't think apply to Emacs, but for the sake of completeness I include the case here.