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From: Michael Ekstrand <michael@elehack.net>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32?
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:41:53 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878wug1zcu.fsf@jehiel.elehack.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 48B7288E.3040503@gmail.com

"Lennart Borgman (gmail)" <lennart.borgman@gmail.com> writes:
> I just deleted a file because I misunderstood dired. I needed that file
> (of course).
>
> And then I found that dired did not make any backup and did not use
> windows Recycle bin.

Recycle bins are a shell-level niceism that are not central to the
operating system.  If you type 'del file' at the Windows command prompt,
it will not use the recycle bin.

> This behaviour does not make me trust for example GNU/Linux. I would
> beleive this is a behaviour implemented after how things work there. Is
> this correct? Does Emacs behave this way on GNU/Linus too?

Yes.  Emacs, when it deletes a file, tells the operating system to
delete it.

The major desktop environments all provide a recycle bin-like feature
(usually called Trash) when you're using their file management
facilities, but this is not a function of the operating system itself.

I would say, however, that allowing this to cause you to not trust
GNU/Linux is a non sequitor.  Operating systems provide a "remove file"
function to applications, and on most of them (both Windows and the
Linux kernel included) actually remove the file when it is called.  To
move to a recycle bin, you need to use move or something like it to put
the file in the recycle bin.  Some applications do this.  Some do not.

- Michael

-- 
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  reply	other threads:[~2008-08-28 23:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 119+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-08-28 22:37 Why @#! is not Emacs using the Recycle bin on w32? Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-28 23:41 ` Michael Ekstrand [this message]
2008-08-29  0:16   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-28 23:42 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-28 23:48   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-28 23:54 ` Jason Rumney
2008-08-29  0:06   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29  5:39     ` Jason Rumney
2008-08-29  6:51       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29  7:52     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-29  7:58       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29  8:06         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-29  8:17           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29  9:24             ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-29  9:43               ` David House
2008-08-29 10:16                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-29 13:26                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 14:36                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-29 15:06                     ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 15:11                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2008-08-29 16:28                         ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 15:39                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-29 16:32                         ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 16:43                           ` David House
2008-08-29 22:12                             ` René Kyllingstad
2008-08-30  0:29                               ` David House
2008-08-30  0:33                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30  1:58                                   ` David House
2008-08-31  2:32                         ` Sean Sieger
2008-08-31  2:34                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-31  3:28                             ` Sean Sieger
2008-08-29 19:58                       ` Taylor Venable
2008-08-29 20:08                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 20:46                           ` Taylor Venable
2008-08-29 21:00                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 21:59                               ` Phil Jackson
2008-08-29 22:12                                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 23:43                                   ` Miles Bader
2008-08-30  9:49                                   ` Phil Jackson
2008-08-30 10:18                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-30 10:43                                       ` Phil Jackson
2008-08-30 20:41                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 14:03                                   ` Taylor Venable
2008-08-30 14:11                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 22:32                                       ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-08-30 22:40                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-31  3:35                                           ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-08-31  3:49                                             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 23:04                                         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-31  3:37                                           ` Manoj Srivastava
2008-08-31  6:55                                             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-31  6:59                                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-08-31  9:31                                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-31 13:51                                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-08-31 15:04                                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-31 16:38                                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2008-08-31 17:43                                                         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-31 20:25                                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-31 10:46                                               ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-29 20:12                         ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 23:43                         ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-30  0:21                           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30  2:16                             ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-30  5:10                               ` tomas
2008-08-30 21:26                                 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-31  4:53                                   ` tomas
2008-08-31 12:25                                     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-31 16:51                                       ` tomas
2008-08-31 20:22                                         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-09-01  4:33                                           ` tomas
2008-08-29 10:41                 ` Jason Rumney
2008-08-29 11:35                   ` martin rudalics
2008-08-29 12:16                   ` David House
2008-08-29 13:22                   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 13:45               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 14:00                 ` Jason Rumney
2008-08-29 16:16             ` Francis Litterio
2008-08-29  9:19   ` David De La Harpe Golden
2008-08-29  8:16 ` David House
2008-08-29  8:18   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29  8:31     ` David House
2008-08-29  8:39       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 10:01 ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-08-29 13:28   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 18:37     ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-08-31 12:31       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-31 19:26         ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-31 21:49         ` Werner LEMBERG
2008-08-29 10:57 ` Phil Jackson
2008-08-29 14:35   ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-29 18:37 ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-29 19:59   ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30  9:11     ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-30 12:42       ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 13:26         ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-30 13:58           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30 15:06             ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-30 17:23               ` René Kyllingstad
2008-08-30 20:40               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 22:37   ` Thomas Lord
2008-08-30  3:11     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2008-08-30  9:40       ` Alan Mackenzie
2008-08-30 10:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-08-30 15:03         ` Jason Rumney
2008-08-30 20:22           ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-30  9:36     ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-31  1:30       ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-08-31  6:22         ` Johannes Weiner
2008-08-29 20:24 ` Gilaras Drakeson
2008-08-29 20:56   ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 21:05     ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 21:11       ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 21:13         ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 21:20           ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 21:54             ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 22:20               ` Drew Adams
2008-08-29 22:25                 ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2008-08-29 22:17   ` René Kyllingstad
2008-08-30  3:14     ` Stephen J. Turnbull

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