From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Inadequate documentation of silly characters on screen. Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:18:11 +0900 Message-ID: <878we1ekb0.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> References: <20091118191258.GA2676@muc.de> <20091119082040.GA1720@muc.de> <87aayitvoy.fsf@wanchan.jasonrumney.net> <87ocmyf6so.fsf@catnip.gol.com> <87vdh57tp2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1258701354 1839 80.91.229.12 (20 Nov 2009 07:15:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Miles Bader , Alan Mackenzie , Jason Rumney , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 20 08:15:47 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NBNic-0006dM-Km for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:15:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34864 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBNib-0004Jq-Jx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:15:45 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBNer-0001ex-7D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:11:53 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NBNem-0001bP-KX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:11:52 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37890 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NBNem-0001b3-3H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:11:48 -0500 Original-Received: from mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp ([130.158.97.223]:49863) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NBNec-00063F-2D; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:11:38 -0500 Original-Received: from uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp [130.158.99.156]) by mtps01.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960761537B6; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:11:35 +0900 (JST) Original-Received: by uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp (Postfix, from userid 1000) id F3CC91A25EE; Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:18:11 +0900 (JST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: VM 8.0.12-devo-585 under 21.5 (beta29) "garbanzo" d20e0a45a4b2 XEmacs Lucid (x86_64-unknown-linux) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:117331 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > What representation is used for them is secondary, but using different > representations for the two cases doesn't seem to be a source > of problems. The source of problems is that inherited history where we > mixed the unibyte and multibyte objects and treid to pretend they were > just one and the same thing and that conversion between them can be > done automatically. Er, they *were* one and the same thing because of string-as-unibyte and friends.