From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Yavor Doganov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gentoo GNU/Linux and non-free packages Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:23:03 +0200 Organization: The GNU Emacs Church (Bulgarian eparchy) Message-ID: <878wc87h9k.GNU's_Not_Unix!%yavor@gnu.org> References: <87bphbf3zy.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <20100103215647.GC1653@muc.de> <87637i709n.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <87ocl9wqjp.fsf_-_@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <201bac3a1001051610t25a1a767v79398943193c3e89@mail.gmail.com> <87iqbexqgi.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> <20100108000622.GA1426@fencepost.localnet> <873a2h7xlk.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by SEMI 1.14.6 - "Maruoka") Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1262965394 2188 80.91.229.12 (8 Jan 2010 15:43:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 15:43:14 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 08 16:43:07 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1NTGzS-0006i6-IJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 16:43:06 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58264 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NTGzT-0006Pm-56 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:43:07 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NTGzL-0006OA-8Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:42:59 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NTGzG-0006LS-3i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:42:58 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=50142 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NTGzF-0006LL-UW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:42:53 -0500 Original-Received: from [213.91.219.2] (port=46303 helo=southway-varna.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NTGzF-0006Nc-90 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 10:42:53 -0500 Original-Received: from keel.southway-varna.com ([192.168.0.2]) by southway-varna.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NTGg4-0000Qw-Jk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:23:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=keel.southway-varna.com) by keel.southway-varna.com with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NTGg3-0004FX-KQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 08 Jan 2010 17:23:03 +0200 In-Reply-To: <873a2h7xlk.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.de> Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org, yavor@gnu.org User-Agent: Wanderlust/2.15.6 (Almost Unreal) SEMI/1.14.6 (Maruoka) FLIM/1.14.9 (=?UTF-8?B?R29qxY0=?=) APEL/10.7 Emacs/23.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu) MULE/6.0 (HANACHIRUSATO) X-Jabber-ID: doganov@jabber.minus273.org X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.0.2 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: yavor@gnu.org X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:14:11 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on southway-varna.com) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:119701 Archived-At: Tassilo Horn wrote: > Hm, I don't know how extensively you have tested, but using > > ACCEPT_LICENSE="-* @FSF-APPROVED @OSI-APPROVED" This is far from sufficient for an entirely free GNU distro (which all distros should be, in an ideal world), because there are packages are basically under a free license, but include component or two that are clearly non-free, or have dependencies that are non-free. Unless Gentoo strips the tarballs to exclude such components, tweaks the .ebuilds and dependencies accordingly, etc., this new feature of the package manager is not a solution. Then comes the problem with incompatible licenses, which Gentoo doesn't seem to pursue at all -- it'll happily compile whatever combination of USE flags if it's technically possible. (I might be wrong here.) While less severe than distributing and even silently installing non-free software behind users' back, this is an issue that should not be ignored. BTW, this sub-thread seems to be off-topic on emacs-devel.