From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Customize UI Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 12:21:17 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <878w9o6xde.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <87zl2g24xy.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87zl2a3b8x.fsf_-_@mail.jurta.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269019307 28263 80.91.229.12 (19 Mar 2010 17:21:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 17:21:47 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 19 18:21:43 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NsftG-0005WA-Tj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:21:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37505 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NsftG-000436-71 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:21:42 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nsft9-00041f-Sg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:21:35 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=38784 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nsft8-00040i-Ey for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:21:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nsft7-0004j8-H3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:21:34 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:37106) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nsft7-0004j1-5m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 13:21:33 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nsft5-0005PK-7L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:21:31 +0100 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.130 ([38.98.147.130]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:21:31 +0100 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.130 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 19 Mar 2010 18:21:31 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Original-Lines: 47 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.130 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1.91 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:g91bAWJ8ngbUpq3De6zP7Xg/0tk= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122290 Archived-At: On Sun, 14 Mar 2010 23:34:35 +0200 Juri Linkov wrote: >> * Improving the Customize user interface (I have some working in this >> area that I'm going to commit soon). JL> I propose more improvements for the Customize user interface: JL> ** Move sub-group links to the top of the Customize buffer. JL> This will make the group tree navigation much easier. JL> Most file browsers do the same: they put links to subdirectories JL> before links to files (in Customize, options are analogous to files, JL> and groups - to directories). JL> So UI would look like: JL> _____________________________________________________ JL> Parent groups: Environment Files JL> Subgroups: JL> Dired Faces : Faces used by Dired. JL> Dired Mark : Handling marks in Dired. JL> Dired X : Extended directory editing (dired-x). JL> Find Dired : Run a `find' command and dired the output. JL> Ls Lisp : Emulate the ls program completely in Emacs Lisp. JL> Wdired : Mode to rename files by editing their names in dired buffers. JL> _____________________________________________________ JL> Dired group: Directory editing. JL> State: visible group members are all at standard values. JL> Directory Free Space Args JL> Options to use when running `directory-free-space-program'. JL> Directory Free Space Program JL> Program to get the amount of free space on a file system. More JL> [more options...] I like the goal (immediate visibility of the available subgroups), but would suggest that instead of putting them first in a vertical list, perhaps they could be arranged horizontally (wrapped as needed) by default. The `t' key, for instance, could toggle between a horizontal and a vertical list; that way the user can see the details or hide them as needed. In a 80x25 terminal that would make a big difference to usability, as others have mentioned. A smaller font (80% of normal) could also be appropriate, and a graphical indicator stamping each subgroup would be nice. Ted