From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Earl Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Using Git to manage your Emacs changes Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:54:15 -0600 Message-ID: <878w8ccy9k.fsf@notengoamigos.org> References: <87aaswaf2t.fsf@lifelogs.com> <4A1FFF2C-5794-4D58-B26B-07CD7FC0BB74@gmail.com> <83d3xs4jw5.fsf@gnu.org> <87hbn2a7fk.fsf@mail.jurta.org> <877hnwj2ft.fsf@notengoamigos.org> <87vdbghcgy.fsf@notengoamigos.org> <83633g1tbb.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1272146074 9819 80.91.229.12 (24 Apr 2010 21:54:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:54:34 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Apr 24 23:54:33 2010 connect(): No such file or directory Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5nJ2-0004Ok-KY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:54:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36573 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O5nJ1-00074L-OZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:54:31 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O5nIw-000746-Kc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:54:26 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=51783 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O5nIv-00073y-0h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:54:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5nIt-0005KF-Tz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:54:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout15.yourhostingaccount.com ([65.254.253.124]:50891) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5nIr-0005Jh-0A; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:54:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailscan20.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.20] helo=mailscan20.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout15.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1O5nIq-0003mX-Cr; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:54:20 -0400 Original-Received: from impout02.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.2] helo=impout02.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan20.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1O5nIq-00080a-11; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:54:20 -0400 Original-Received: from authsmtp10.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.10]) by impout02.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id 9ZuK1e0040D2B7u0000000; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:54:19 -0400 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.10 X-EN-IMPSID: 9ZuK1e0040D2B7u0000000 Original-Received: from jearl.fttp.xmission.com ([166.70.233.10] helo=jearl-netbook) by authsmtp10.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1O5nIp-0001hI-Pj; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:54:20 -0400 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAAAAAByaaZbAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAAAFz UkdCAK7OHOkAAAAgY0hSTQAAeiYAAICEAAD6AAAAgOgAAHUwAADqYAAAOpgAABdwnLpRPAAAAAlw SFlzAAASmwAAEpsB4JJZDAAAAAl2cEFnAAAAMAAAADAAzu6MVwAAAaFJREFUSMe1VtuxxSAIzIz9 2Iyl2Aj1bBX0k5+LrwjGjJyPy2ROwtGNBJbVCwwwy1UNoOL3f+SBxkj15Lr4NsboN24DWMZxYQNA TjGmjC1gswJiqBbpDeANYMwXBFyAFB5L7ADMBcoSDgAFBSDHR2tA8ABMSB4AawB76pAnILsKx2lm 1VfpgUi3kxrySylRHdmQj40Jva2/jl8EY3Twv/phhsC9nIQR0hnAOUptYsL3RxvAk+YIH2AWsvTH GYBgKn8GaPYm5jNANaCQ8WfAzyH9x0crFfGl9X4QVdg8gEqN2KjBHi6V/iBq6iyAxTqd+Yvupwai VwM9LZkxQ6otihmS6H+mHlK5URwi0UQgWxHoxS5JagBSed7IzJRCallS2pg2QsamcGUFNSHgLZUv augJIUualv1Bv6+yVat1oeMq92s/mBBWQJH7dQX7CnpvWWs/4CazpHlB2RR1BFSzNGdIaTbbLil8 U76BKKU0GztapXP3C78bNYQ6MTQybY8OkIaITf9HPzyHkXE4YXs4mf5VDz+jAepj3RTQ3Ubv0SPy 9AcCrfKh0TBgvgAAACV0RVh0Y3JlYXRlLWRhdGUAMjAwOS0wOC0yN1QxNjoxMTozMy0wNjowMFPN ssMAAAAldEVYdG1vZGlmeS1kYXRlADIwMDktMDgtMjdUMTY6MTE6MzMtMDY6MDAMfMT3AAAAAElF TkSuQmCC In-Reply-To: <83633g1tbb.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:36:40 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-EN-UserInfo: f8a5a3c49e1c4664ba81facb1022c4a9:67ddfe7aeaee6d1ea5b788d961d42633 X-EN-AuthUser: jearl@notengoamigos.org X-EN-OrigIP: 166.70.233.10 X-EN-OrigHost: jearl.fttp.xmission.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:124183 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Jason Earl >> Cc: rms@gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com, tzz@lifelogs.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, juri@jurta.org, schwab@linux-m68k.org, david.reitter@gmail.com, eliz@gnu.org, miles@gnu.org >> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 13:33:49 -0600 >> >> Bazaar has this marked as a bug (wishlist), but they are essentially >> waiting for someone to come up with a way to make texinfo documentation >> from their existing rst documentation. In fact, it could easily be >> argued that they are moving farther away from texinfo as they have moved >> from simply requiring docutils to requiring the more complicated sphinx >> documentation build system. > > If Bazaar developers want help in automatic conversion of their docs > system to Texinfo, they should talk to Texinfo maintainers. With the > upcoming switch from makeinfo written in C to texi2html written in > Perl, it may be easier to add additional translators; at least that > was the theory and the justification for the switch. I am glad to hear this. I like Texinfo. >> My question, and I ask this as a person whose one small contribution >> to GNU is that I helped (a bit) with the conversion of the Emacs repo >> from CVS to bzr, is why pretend that Bazaar is part of the GNU >> project when the GNU developers (and systems administrators) seem to >> overwhelmingly prefer git? Worse, they are actively trying to >> undermine Bazaar, including long discussions on how to circumvent >> Bazaar on this very list. >> >> Dump bzr and make git part of the GNU "system," if that is what it >> takes, but do not pretend that Bazaar is part of the GNU project when >> clearly it is not. > > Please do not exaggerate, and please do not generalize too much from > what you've heard here. There are definitely several people who were > discussing git, but I would not recommend concluding that they > represent the ``overwhelming'' part of Emacs developers. They > certainly do not represent me. I'm using Bazaar, and I do not intend > to switch to git any time soon. That's good to hear. >> Bazaar has received nothing but bad publicity from the switch, and >> the Emacs development group appears to have been hampered more than >> helped > > I think both of these assertions are false. I definitely feel that > Bazaar helps me more than CVS did. I do hope that Savannah will > switch to the smart server some time this century, and I definitely > would love to see Bazaar need less bandwidth than it asks for now. > Then the quality of my life as an Emacs developer will be better yet. > But it has definitely improved already, since we switched. So I would > like to thank you and others who've helped make that happen. I apologize for over-reacting. Like I said before, apparently I am too close to the issue. I will keep similar opinions to myself in the future. Jason