From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Ted Zlatanov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Committing new smtpmail.el later tonight Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:16:53 -0500 Organization: =?utf-8?B?0KLQtdC+0LTQvtGAINCX0LvQsNGC0LDQvdC+0LI=?= @ Cienfuegos Message-ID: <878vsthjlm.fsf@lifelogs.com> References: <8739jogwf9.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87lix9eknu.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <878vt52ykv.fsf@lifelogs.com> <878vt25tbf.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87zklbnet1.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83sjr2vaqk.fsf@gnu.org> <83pqm5vnww.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1308763109 7889 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2011 17:18:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:18:29 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 22 19:18:26 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QZR4L-00087g-C4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:18:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39764 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZR4K-0006O2-2v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:18:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:50885) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZR36-00068p-Rp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:17:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZR35-0006Ix-E5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:17:08 -0400 Original-Received: from lo.gmane.org ([80.91.229.12]:50637) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QZR34-0006IS-N5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 13:17:07 -0400 Original-Received: from list by lo.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QZR33-0007RV-Db for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:17:05 +0200 Original-Received: from 38.98.147.133 ([38.98.147.133]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:17:05 +0200 Original-Received: from tzz by 38.98.147.133 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:17:05 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-Lines: 45 Original-X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 38.98.147.133 X-Face: bd.DQ~'29fIs`T_%O%C\g%6jW)yi[zuz6; d4V0`@y-~$#3P_Ng{@m+e4o<4P'#(_GJQ%TT= D}[Ep*b!\e,fBZ'j_+#"Ps?s2!4H2-Y"sx" Mail-Copies-To: never User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:5e0oSKJaHscBw4hpVfj3GVfrt60= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Received-From: 80.91.229.12 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:140866 Archived-At: On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:19:59 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: EZ> That is fine for newcomers to smtpmail. But put myself in my shoes: I EZ> configured my smtpmail years ago, and don't even remember the name of EZ> my SMTP server, let alone the password. People like me will not be EZ> amused if their old setup suddenly stops working until they dust out EZ> old instructions. The variable is obsoleted. Isn't that the normal way to do it, possibly annoying people? It's not particularly hard to migrate the info yourself, as I mentioned. EZ> Unlike other software, Emacs didn't until now break customizations in EZ> such a way, not without some sort of interim period when users were EZ> told to migrate. Since 24.x is a major release, maybe it's OK. How would you do it? On Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:51:29 +0300 Eli Zaretskii wrote: EZ> Why do we have to have this incompatibility? Why cannot EZ> smtpmail-auth-credentials continue be supported, in addition to the EZ> new ~/.authinfo? E.g., note the value of the variable and EZ> automatically write ~/.authinfo? >> >> I think that leaves `smtpmail-auth-credentials' in place, where it will >> confuse the user. EZ> How can my own customization on my own .emacs confuse me? There are now two places where the credentials live, if we follow your scheme. You can forget about ~/.authinfo and modify `smtpmail-auth-credentials' which won't work. I think that's a bad situation. >> So IMO the conversion should also unset `smtpmail-auth-credentials'. EZ> I see no need for that. Emacs doesn't modify .emacs except during EZ> explicit use of Customize. I'm sure in at least a few places I've seen a defcustom set explicitly and saved. But the point is, we want to *migrate* and that implies dropping the old settings. Otherwise it's *copying*. Ted