Feature suggestion

Feature suggestion

[Richard Stallman]

The output of C-u C-x =
should show some key sequences that would insert this character.

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Re: Feature suggestion

[Miles Bader]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> The output of C-u C-x =
> should show some key sequences that would insert this character.

It already does, if the currently enabled input method can input it.

The functionality isn't really complete though, and could be improved.
For instance, it only works for some input methods -- e.g. "tex", but
not "korean-hangul".  Also it would nice if it would show other input
methods when the current input method doesn't handle a character.

-miles

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Re: Feature suggestion

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:25:29 -0400
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> 
> The output of C-u C-x =
> should show some key sequences that would insert this character.

Type "C-x 8 RET" followed by the hexadecimal code of the character
(shown by "C-u C-x ="), and Bob's your uncle.

Would mentioning that in the text do the job?

Re: Feature suggestion

[Andreas Schwab]

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:25:29 -0400
>> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
>> 
>> The output of C-u C-x =
>> should show some key sequences that would insert this character.
>
> Type "C-x 8 RET" followed by the hexadecimal code of the character
> (shown by "C-u C-x ="), and Bob's your uncle.

Or when using the ucs input method: uNNNN (that works only for BMP
characters).

Andreas.

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Re: Feature suggestion

[Richard Stallman]

    Type "C-x 8 RET" followed by the hexadecimal code of the character
    (shown by "C-u C-x ="), and Bob's your uncle.

    Would mentioning that in the text do the job?

Yes, it would.  That is an obscure command,
and I would not know what search string to use
to find it with apropos.

I think there is a way to enter characters by their long names, too,
but I don't recall what it is.  It would be good to mention that
method too.

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RE: Feature suggestion

[Drew Adams]

> I think there is a way to enter characters by their long names, too,
> but I don't recall what it is.  It would be good to mention that
> method too.

`C-x 8 RET' (command `ucs-insert') also lets you complete against the char name.

RE: Feature suggestion

[Drew Adams]

> > I think there is a way to enter characters by their long names, too,
> > but I don't recall what it is.  It would be good to mention that
> > method too.
> 
> `C-x 8 RET' (command `ucs-insert') also lets you complete 
> against the char name.

FWIW - 

1. I use a variant (`ucsc-insert') of `ucs-insert' that has the same behavior
except for a negative prefix arg (`ucs-insert' is anyway a no-op for such an
arg):

* A negative arg is treated as its absolute value, so -3 inserts 3 copies of the
char, just like 3 does.

* A negative arg also automatically creates a command that inserts the same
character (accepting a prefix arg for multiple copies).  The command name is the
same as the char name, except lowercase and with SPC chars replaced by hyphens
(`-').  I bind it to `C-x 8 RET', obviously.

For example, if you use `C-- C-x 8 RET greek capital letter delta' (e.g., using
completion), then it defines a command `greek-capital-letter-delta' that inserts
that char.  Convenient for binding keys to effectively add Unicode chars to your
keyboard.

2. I define a macro, `ucsc-make-commands', that takes a regexp arg and defines
all such insertion commands for chars whose names match the regexp.

Examples:

(ucsc-make-commands "^math") ; Math symbols
(ucsc-make-commands "latin") ; Latin alphabet characters
(ucsc-make-commands "arabic")
(ucsc-make-commands "^cjk")  ; Chinese, Japanese, Korean characters
(ucsc-make-commands "^box drawings ")
(ucsc-make-commands "^greek [a-z]+ letter") ; Greek characters
(ucsc-make-commands
  "\\(^hangul\\|^circled hangul\\|^parenthesized hangul\\)")

Note that a drawback to using `ucs[c]-insert' with completion is that it is slow
- there are *many* Unicode chars.  This lets you use it when you really need it,
but have tailor-made insertion commands for the chars you use often.  And of
course even if you do not bind most such commands, completion against their
names is much quicker, since the domain is smaller (even if you create a lot of
such commands).

The code is here:
http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/ucs-cmds.el
I have no objection to it being added to Emacs (the patch is trivial).

Re: Feature suggestion

[Richard Stallman]

    `C-x 8 RET' (command `ucs-insert') also lets you complete against the char name.

The C-u C-x = message could mention both ways of using it -- why not?

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Re: Feature suggestion

[Miles Bader]

Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
>     `C-x 8 RET' (command `ucs-insert') also lets you complete against
> the char name.
>
> The C-u C-x = message could mention both ways of using it -- why not?

It does already mention the character name, which can entered directly
at the C-x 8 RET prompt.

-miles

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Re: Feature suggestion

[Andreas Röhler]

Am 01.06.2012 22:41, schrieb Drew Adams:
>> I think there is a way to enter characters by their long names, too,
>> but I don't recall what it is.  It would be good to mention that
>> method too.
>
> `C-x 8 RET' (command `ucs-insert') also lets you complete against the char name.
>
>
>

an alias `char-insert' might help a lot WRT apropos

thanks,

Andreas

Re: Feature suggestion

[Richard Stallman]

    > The C-u C-x = message could mention both ways of using it -- why not?

    It does already mention the character name, which can entered directly
    at the C-x 8 RET prompt.

Yes.  My point is this text should SAY you can enter the name that way.

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Re: Feature suggestion

[Eli Zaretskii]

> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 16:33:58 -0400
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
>     Type "C-x 8 RET" followed by the hexadecimal code of the character
>     (shown by "C-u C-x ="), and Bob's your uncle.
> 
>     Would mentioning that in the text do the job?
> 
> Yes, it would.  That is an obscure command,
> and I would not know what search string to use
> to find it with apropos.
> 
> I think there is a way to enter characters by their long names, too,
> but I don't recall what it is.  It would be good to mention that
> method too.

I've done both in revision 108521 on the trunk.  It now says

      to input: type "C-x 8 RET HEX-CODEPOINT" or "C-x 8 RET NAME"