From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Windows barebin distribution Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:58:15 +0800 Message-ID: <878v9w4brc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4F8ADAFC.9030308@gmail.com> <831unp0xzq.fsf@gnu.org> <837gpj0vyo.fsf@gnu.org> <551F5F9812F347C08746E86B58C59129@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353419934 27828 80.91.229.3 (20 Nov 2012 13:58:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:58:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cschol2112@googlemail.com, 'Eli Zaretskii' , emacs-devel@gnu.org, 'Mathias Dahl' To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 20 14:59:05 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1TaoLu-0001uT-U6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 14:59:03 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49038 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaoLk-0004nu-LE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:58:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:42665) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaoLi-0004no-Cm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:58:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaoLe-0001DX-8w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:58:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-pb0-f41.google.com ([209.85.160.41]:45515) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1TaoLX-00019w-By; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:58:39 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-pb0-f41.google.com with SMTP id xa7so4510472pbc.0 for ; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 05:58:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=cLEJ7OIoxF8cxXwEret9vEJ/3+CqWVirbTZIqGxA7ts=; b=BiWEQDNKUOA+7e4R6+XOkeHKlencjt15gm9hAOfG6G6q9BYb6VL3QULg0RrIKx7Oll 7qkNtcrhHnYKRcV/0j4999OxSSopDTq+kMFRYH5pSxtNq6iezSBLYivlmzN6060yADWC 6SfFX+Hjwr2bkxndPNacpCicTk+RNMzHTlfmiscXE1BvQ575nDY043n8vDymwNRkQ+Rp mxRVPA1vAAzkxHIm6q57Ei3n9XArRDqkdHYzEem1hYyDICvQl3MfVOhd+o6PV0fQBdBp vPU3CV27lQxQPs4lLVyyrQlooOmw0/fVFvDH044/SriqdoqurGBwAN+gaNQzFNFD7fm4 bp4A== Original-Received: by 10.68.130.197 with SMTP id og5mr43105755pbb.138.1353419918315; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 05:58:38 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from home.jasonrumney.net (jasonrumney.broker.freenet6.net. [2001:5c0:1000:b::89fd]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bc8sm8129662pab.5.2012.11.20.05.58.30 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 20 Nov 2012 05:58:37 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by home.jasonrumney.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3D111374F; Tue, 20 Nov 2012 21:58:15 +0800 (MYT) In-Reply-To: <551F5F9812F347C08746E86B58C59129@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:50:28 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.2.50 (gnu/linux) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 209.85.160.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154985 Archived-At: "Drew Adams" writes: > 3. Matthias's suggestion is the best approach, assuming it can be done. > Certainly the number of users who actually download barebins is an even more > accurate indication of the need than a user poll would be. The barebins were only ever useful for the following uses: 1. Installing over the top of a source distribution without downloading the full bin package which has a lot of duplication with the source package. In the days of 33k6 modems, this made some sense, but today the value is less obvious. 2. Redumping Emacs. This use was questionable, as normally if Emacs were to be redumped, the user would need to change PURESIZE as well, so they would need to recompile everything themselves anyway. I think today, these files are downloaded more in confusion over which files are required, than by any deliberate need. So studying the server logs might not be as useful as you think.