From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 23:33:45 +0000 Message-ID: <878u1ntgo6.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <87y49q64eg.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87wpp9dkux.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457825655 11506 80.91.229.3 (12 Mar 2016 23:34:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 23:34:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Richard Stallman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 13 00:34:06 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aet2p-0007MX-VD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 00:34:04 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33903 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aet2p-0006fj-B2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 18:34:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41717) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aet2e-0006fR-9k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 18:33:52 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aet2d-0004vc-Hb for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 18:33:52 -0500 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([31.216.48.48]:50821) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aet2Z-0004v9-DE; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 18:33:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=ZRTmQkgv/0Fn+x21zBavWByV9K4p7xH0A2kGGWoIztU=; b=JVhaJuItmcyQbsHG/G0HF4lu/6 lnkBP+Gk+y/kx5paDBD/O8PijaeOHmuav9vPWMQeTLXelz6ZqWlDFM9vjTaurO1ihgJxh6/m9dE4Z pLJ93KJcx2EG4W/fjTsKiZrx1Y10k40WpRqO6QQ/hYYQPZN2xAJAWVi2SUcO1WqHjUtP+mgutXV9t J3o9/WE+Zu2P/G10Ntte4nDvK2Yt8SpAUYcrXdnN6KDgJUw4MJusVveGHRw2BgKk54wgSviXLl/CP oSztUREkX9pUF+krTRL/qsXb1FT7S6rFS0KCdalq7LKxReeGjcI6ITQxDNmFJUBzXVMsNwRzY0rM2 UgHOc3hg==; Original-Received: from cpc1-benw10-2-0-cust373.gate.cable.virginm.net ([77.98.219.118]:35544 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.86_1) (envelope-from ) id 1aet2Y-0029qa-Oo; Sat, 12 Mar 2016 23:33:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: (John Wiegley's message of "Sat, 12 Mar 2016 13:34:42 -0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.5 (gnu/linux) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 31.216.48.48 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201572 Archived-At: John Wiegley writes: >>>>>> Richard Stallman writes: > >> I think we should first mention that arrow keys work, then invite users to >> learn C-b etc. saying that editing will be faster. > > This would be my preference as well, as well as to mention that the concept of > 'b' meaning "backward" will recur in other contexts as they learn more. I think that the middle ground here is to talk about C-bfnp as examples of keychords. The still get mentioned, but use of the keyboard does not become the main focus. Phil