From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Loading a package applies automatically to future sessions? Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 20:36:02 +0000 Message-ID: <878tcbb03x.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1517603741 13761 195.159.176.226 (2 Feb 2018 20:35:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 20:35:41 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA To: George Plymale II Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 02 21:35:37 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ehi3O-0002Rc-2b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 21:35:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58801 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehi5L-0000Fe-75 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 15:37:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41299) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehi4F-0000F6-0h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 15:36:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehi4E-0001nk-3n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 15:36:15 -0500 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:37704) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ehi48-0001h3-DE; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 15:36:08 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=oVB34B35ikjYgXmbzt+e4BYLefrRGn8rbooLbYisQl8=; b=NTxDJRSh51PagFR0qDcoXt7Tj k7Gm1OX3aVLvhn9SMVLOspU2ig4b2lakVsRW1oDsaxFlKLuR6oUTSX1kX8DRgXFOAoQu9UArr1bZU FF99NMVxgqmrehte1pLwZNlK525TfRHicy66jlFF5sGyl+wCKvwrVZKLf9o3cAZJ0BkkpqH84Smgt SRQqKeLZzIhVf8zhkNkB1tunwI8lNyHB8oGypP6hW8uJ7bb/M48q9rr4iaLvBnpCFEW7NvV/csFTx Xxf07yACMu8N6Loht7g7XhPjpj9c6nP7HIVqRxLBqnTBWD/zX7DqPT8a+aRpQpcS5BQvy92TnrlyS Nxjo2OWug==; Original-Received: from cpc142652-benw12-2-0-cust953.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.21.43.186]:34776 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ehi46-001Kz4-Kh; Fri, 02 Feb 2018 20:36:06 +0000 In-Reply-To: (George Plymale, II's message of "Fri, 02 Feb 2018 02:33:23 -0500") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:222437 Archived-At: George Plymale II writes: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] >> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] >> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] >> >> > What if they can't? What if I don't have parents? What if I live in >> > foster homes and my legal guardian is frequently changed? >> >> If that happens, I will worry about what to do. > > Well, I don't think I could convince any of my parents to sign copyright > waivers. And I don't want to subject them to such concerns. Moreover, it > is possible that there is further ambiguity because of things that I > cannot divulge publicly. > > In any case, this policy is certainly a pain for minors. Indeed. But, without the copyright policy, you should still be asking your parents about your ability to licence your software under GPL. Because who ever uses your software is, effectively, entering into a contract with you, that gives them the right to use your softawre Now the contractual terms of the GPL state that is irrevocable. I don't know how it is in the US, but in the UK, my understanding anyway, is that while as a minor you can make a contract, you can revoke that contract before you reach 18 or shortly after. Even if that disadvantages the other party. So, I don't think the assignment policy is the issue here. The law is with respect to minors is difficult; it's not meant to be a pain, it's meant to be a protection. Either way, the complexities of being a minor do apply to an assignment policy, but they also apply to licencing. Usual "I am not a lawyer" restrictions apply to anything I say here. Phil