From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord) Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: re-organising Emacs FTP Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2018 14:23:14 +0100 Message-ID: <878t9wtsxp.fsf@russet.org.uk> References: <87lgdwtzlj.fsf@russet.org.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523280087 29742 195.159.176.226 (9 Apr 2018 13:21:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 13:21:27 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.0.91 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 09 15:21:23 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f5Wja-0007c9-1M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 15:21:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38283 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5Wlf-00040w-SC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 09:23:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59614) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5WlY-00040H-0S for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 09:23:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5WlU-00038h-1Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 09:23:24 -0400 Original-Received: from cloud103.planethippo.com ([78.129.138.110]:41674) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f5WlT-00038P-Nf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 09:23:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=russet.org.uk; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID: In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=oPnnOhOkzTEanMoO/zAV86KU5vPr0775y3aMVSEJYrc=; b=SyV/edLRsoCdK+EgcIKQTEfVD PTv53kVVlmQuUr34DDkeQZEzBC99IWFl9bhmW1oe+9Ygz4yKC0ArJ2lmBpEezBseDrOxwWfvnDuAc 2pZX99xPdNrE9D+yfKMzHb8dVSuVeNng3QWhNyAvHKRe0toCpTU6bOQky2Cvs96ZE7knz0kf2Bwkq a7hjFTDaSEjOgDGRr1EQ+rgN4etNV+9kzHKiu3gla7dbjYapy2tYjF4PfF4nhTGRmD70x9xpDsxVH MoruNf1CKZ2kQSGAneZ6ynOHHg76X6m35ynZ12pXDK2B7R2PVtOeCeel8g4VwlD9oU2YBHh2l6bxE HMZipJfaw==; Original-Received: from cpc142652-benw12-2-0-cust953.16-2.cable.virginm.net ([82.21.43.186]:53628 helo=russet.org.uk) by cloud103.planethippo.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1f5WlO-003tkG-4X; Mon, 09 Apr 2018 13:23:14 +0000 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 09 Apr 2018 08:21:39 -0400") X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - cloud103.planethippo.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - russet.org.uk X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: cloud103.planethippo.com: authenticated_id: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Authenticated-Sender: cloud103.planethippo.com: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 78.129.138.110 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224459 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: >> Thoughts? > > I don't really have an opinion, but for the liveliness of the > discussion, I'll propose some alternatives: > > - Move all but the latest to a subdirectory `old`. > - Add a symlink to the latest with a name such that it comes first in > the list. > Since the sort is "alphabetical" based on ASCII, there aren't many > chars that get sorted before "-" so I'm not sure which would be the > best choice in this regard. > > The problem I see with your proposal is that the latest releases as well > as the `latest` link will still appear last, Yes, I saw that as a problem. We could perhaps rename "emacs" to "xemacs", then it will always appear after "latest". What do you think? I quite like the idea of "old", but it has two problems. First, it means links will change routinely as new releases appear; while this would at least be predictable, it might still cause issues. Second, as far as I can tell, the FTP Upload directives do not have a "move" option, so practically, this is a pain to achieve. Having directories would at least reduce the problem, in that the last would be only a few places down the directory listing. Other possibilities would be to use "current" rather than "latest". Or, get the ftp.gnu.org to show symlinks first. I'd like to have a symlink there anyway, because it would mean the Windows version of Emacs could notify people when updates are available. Phil