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From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob@tcd.ie>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Predicate for true lists
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2018 01:38:53 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878t6l73pe.fsf@tcd.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 515ce169-8e88-4075-8a92-e8c1a496fe7d@default

Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

> 2. You say this in the doc string of `proper-list-length':
>
>    A proper list is neither circular nor dotted (i.e., its
>    last cdr is nil).
>
> And your entry in the manual for that function:
>
>   In addition to satisfying @code{listp}, a proper list is
>   neither circular nor dotted.
>
> Fair enough, but it depends on what is meant by a "circular"
> list.  Does it mean only a list whose last cdr shares list
> structure with some other of its cdr's?  If so then what you
> say holds.  And yes, I guess that's what most of us think of.
>
> But what of a list that has a finite number of elements,
> so it last cdr is nil, but one or more of whose elements
> is itself a circular list in the above sense?  Is it in
> some sense "circular" because of its circular-list element?

No, because "proper", "circular", and "dotted" all refer to list
structure (CDRs/links), not contents (CARs).

> It should be enough to say that a "true", or "proper"
> list is one that has nil as its last cdr, without
> adding that this means non-"circular".

I think that both "last cdr is nil" and "neither dotted nor circular"
completely qualify a list as being proper, so I would prefer to be
explicit and state both definitions, say, in the docstring.  If nothing
else, it makes the jargon "dotted" and "circular" more discoverable.
Unless my reasoning/understanding is mistaken, that is.

-- 
Basil



  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-07-08 22:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 100+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-16 19:34 Predicate for true lists Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-06-04 12:12 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-06-04 14:08   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-04 14:46     ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-06-04 15:31       ` Drew Adams
2018-06-04 16:14         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-06-04 16:38           ` Drew Adams
2018-06-04 16:57             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-05  1:23   ` Paul Eggert
2018-06-05  2:57     ` Drew Adams
2018-06-05  3:08       ` Drew Adams
2018-06-05  3:12         ` Drew Adams
2018-06-05  3:25       ` Drew Adams
2018-06-05 15:05     ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-06-06  7:42       ` Paul Eggert
2018-06-06  9:40         ` Van L
2018-06-06 13:44           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-06 17:40             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-06-07  7:03             ` Van L
2018-07-05 22:31         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-06  5:57           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-06 17:16             ` Drew Adams
2018-07-06 17:38               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]               ` <<83601sl0wo.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-07-06 18:00                 ` Drew Adams
2018-07-07  6:54                   ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]               ` <<<83601sl0wo.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                 ` <<95fda70b-5893-4788-83c5-a0bb5d708304@default>
     [not found]                   ` <<8336wvleml.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-07-07 14:42                     ` Drew Adams
2018-07-06 18:04             ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-07  6:58               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-07  7:20                 ` martin rudalics
2018-07-07  8:41                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-07 10:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-07 15:04                     ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-07 16:12                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-07 16:52                         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-07 17:07                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-07 17:14                             ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-07 17:34                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-08  0:15                               ` Drew Adams
2018-07-08  4:48                                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-08 15:15                                   ` Drew Adams
2018-07-08 16:00                                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-08 17:42                                       ` Drew Adams
2018-07-08 17:47                                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-07 17:06                     ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-09 19:25             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-09 19:40               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-10  2:02                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-10  5:46                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-11  3:02                     ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-11  6:27                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-15 22:55                         ` Wilfred Hughes
2018-07-16  1:37                           ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-11 14:01                       ` [Emacs-diffs] master babe0d4: Rearrange definition of zerop in subr.el Karl Fogel
2018-07-11 17:12                         ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-11 17:33                           ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-12 15:34                             ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-12 15:43                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-09 12:51                       ` Predicate for true lists Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-09 15:33                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-09 16:20                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-09 16:32                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-09 16:54                               ` Daniel Colascione
2019-04-09 17:27                                 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-09 17:27                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-09 20:08                               ` Unused value of error-free function warning (was: Predicate for true lists) Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-09 20:40                                 ` Unused value of error-free function warning Stefan Monnier
2019-04-09 20:12                           ` Predicate for true lists Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-09 20:41                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-10  2:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-10 14:16                               ` Alex Branham
2019-04-10 14:34                                 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-10 15:01                                   ` Drew Adams
2019-04-10 15:45                                     ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-10 16:04                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 17:56                                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-17 18:11                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-21 21:42                                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-17 18:55                                         ` Drew Adams
2019-04-21 21:24                                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-22  0:03                                             ` Drew Adams
2019-04-22  1:12                                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-04-22  9:39                                                 ` Drew Adams
2019-04-18 14:37                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-21 18:30                                           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-21 19:39                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-21 21:37                                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-22  0:06                                                 ` Drew Adams
2019-04-22  7:49                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-22 12:59                                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-22 13:12                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-22 15:19                                                       ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-21 19:41                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-21 21:41                                               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-04-22  6:39                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-22 12:58                                                   ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2018-07-06 17:00           ` Drew Adams
2018-07-06 17:20             ` Paul Eggert
2018-07-06 17:33             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-08 22:38             ` Basil L. Contovounesios [this message]
2018-07-06 17:30           ` Paul Eggert
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