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From: "Óscar Fuentes" <ofv@wanadoo.es>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bloat in the Emacs Windows package
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 15:23:52 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878sw6qgbb.fsf@telefonica.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 83imvacuva.fsf@gnu.org

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> Since then, both bandwidth and disk space has gotten cheaper. But I
>> bet there are still lots of situations where Emacs' smallness is
>> important. Especially in poorer parts of the world.
>
> Of course.  But those situations need special-purpose packages, and
> each one of those will need a volunteer dedicated to produce and
> support it.  The popular demand clearly shifted to having the
> comprehensive packages with everything included.
>
> Feel free to volunteer to produce a bare-minimum Emacs package for
> such situation.

We have the no-deps package, but with dozens of MB of debug info and a
duplicated large binary. I doubt this benefits 0.1% of the Emacs user
base. And that benefit is just a minor convenience for them.

OTOH, the bigger the file to download, the less people will get it.
People that will use something else. For a political (or social, if you
prefer) project as GNU/Emacs, this is not acceptable when you can
significantly reduce the download with a few trivial changes (1).

I live on Western Europe and know plenty of people who access the
Internet through metered and/or slow connections.

And then we have the issue with general bloat in IT and the associated
waste. I feel morally obligued to not contribute to that waste.


1. Using a better compression method, such as 7z, probably will reduce
the download significantly.




  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-19 13:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 56+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-17  5:01 Bloat in the Emacs Windows package Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-17  7:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 11:15   ` Van L
2019-04-17 11:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 12:39   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-17 14:49     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 16:17       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 22:02         ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-19  7:00           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 17:26     ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 17:55       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-19  0:02       ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-19  7:33         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-19 13:23           ` Óscar Fuentes [this message]
2019-04-22 21:04             ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-22 21:41               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-17 13:42   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-17 16:19     ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-17 17:28     ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 15:07   ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-17 16:32     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 23:44       ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-19  7:27         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-19 14:17           ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-19 15:05             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-22 20:55             ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 17:39     ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 18:06       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-17 18:32       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 16:05         ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-18 19:08           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 21:19             ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-18 23:12               ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-19  6:29               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-22 20:40                 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-23  2:25                   ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-23 10:01                     ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-23 11:28                       ` Robert Pluim
2019-04-23 21:49                         ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-26 16:30                       ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-26 17:04                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-26 21:41                           ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-27 18:12                         ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-04-27 18:17                           ` Phillip Lord
2019-05-03  1:06                             ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-05-03  6:49                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 18:38                                 ` Björn Lindqvist
2019-05-03 18:42                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-05-03 20:20                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-23  5:37                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-17 15:44 ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-17 16:25   ` Óscar Fuentes
2019-04-17 16:46     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-18 16:00       ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-18 15:56     ` Phillip Lord
2019-04-18 16:39       ` Óscar Fuentes

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