From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Phillip Lord Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Do pretests reach end users? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:252660 Archived-At: Dmitry Alexandrov writes: > Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Dmitry Alexandrov wrote: >>> Emacs pretest release? Is that a thing for systems other than >>> Microsoft Windows and Guix? >> >> I didn't say "pretest release": there's no such thing. A pretest is >> not a "release" > > Okay. (Though to me =E2=80=98pretest=E2=80=99 still looks like an adject= ive there.) > >> it's a tarball [with sources] > > https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/emacs-27/emacs-27.0.91-x8= 6_64-installer.exe Yes, I release this (in a rather erratic fashion) as well as Emacs-28 snapshots, to make the pretests (and head) more accessible to people. I think it would be good to do this a bit more widely, either with a deb/rpm/snap/flatpack/etc. >> But it isn't the main means for pretesting. > > Sure. From all of the above we can surmise that main pretesters are > Windows users, who somehow learn (from Reddit-like resources?) about > pretests and download them from gnu.org. > > Well... Windows is the most popular desktop system after all, but I > would really like to see GNU Emacs better tested on secondary > platforms, such as GNU/Linux, too. To be honest, I suspect GNU/Linux gets more people testing it, because the users of that platform are more likely to test things. It's also relatively easy to build there -- once you have it set up "git pull;make -j", and run from in source rather than installing and you are done. >> >> So I don't see how all this could help making a release faster. > > It can help persuade people in charge (such as you :-) to take > advantage of the control over GNU distributors they have =E2=80=94 and sh= orten > the release cycle. I think this is a secondary argument. It would be good to have pre-releases (and snapshots) available to install because it is a good thing in itself. If it shortens the release cycle that is a bonus. Phil