From: Phillip Lord <phillip.lord@russet.org.uk>
To: Dmitry Alexandrov <dag@gnui.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
liwei.ma@gmail.com, kevin.legouguec@gmail.com,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Do pretests reach end users?
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 12:11:12 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <878sfzfsbz.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7dvk9ibd.dag@gnui.org> (Dmitry Alexandrov's message of "Sat, 04 Jul 2020 04:31:50 +0300")
Dmitry Alexandrov <dag@gnui.org> writes:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>> Dmitry Alexandrov <dag@gnui.org> wrote:
>>> Emacs pretest release? Is that a thing for systems other than
>>> Microsoft Windows and Guix?
>>
>> I didn't say "pretest release": there's no such thing. A pretest is
>> not a "release"
>
> Okay. (Though to me ‘pretest’ still looks like an adjective there.)
>
>> it's a tarball [with sources]
>
> https://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/pretest/windows/emacs-27/emacs-27.0.91-x86_64-installer.exe
Yes, I release this (in a rather erratic fashion) as well as Emacs-28
snapshots, to make the pretests (and head) more accessible to people. I
think it would be good to do this a bit more widely, either with a
deb/rpm/snap/flatpack/etc.
>> But it isn't the main means for pretesting.
>
> Sure. From all of the above we can surmise that main pretesters are
> Windows users, who somehow learn (from Reddit-like resources?) about
> pretests and download them from gnu.org.
>
> Well... Windows is the most popular desktop system after all, but I
> would really like to see GNU Emacs better tested on secondary
> platforms, such as GNU/Linux, too.
To be honest, I suspect GNU/Linux gets more people testing it, because
the users of that platform are more likely to test things. It's also
relatively easy to build there -- once you have it set up "git pull;make
-j", and run from in source rather than installing and you are done.
>>
>> So I don't see how all this could help making a release faster.
>
> It can help persuade people in charge (such as you :-) to take
> advantage of the control over GNU distributors they have — and shorten
> the release cycle.
I think this is a secondary argument. It would be good to have
pre-releases (and snapshots) available to install because it is a good
thing in itself. If it shortens the release cycle that is a bonus.
Phil
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-07-04 11:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-06-30 2:52 When will emacs 27.1 be officially released? Liwei Ma
2020-06-30 3:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-30 8:12 ` tomas
2020-06-30 9:51 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-06-30 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-30 18:52 ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-30 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-30 22:17 ` Paul Eggert
2020-06-30 22:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-01 0:03 ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-01 14:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-01 17:47 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-01 17:52 ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-01 17:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-01 18:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-01 18:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-01 18:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-01 14:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-02 3:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-02 13:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-03 2:21 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-02 20:29 ` Tassilo Horn
2020-07-02 20:36 ` Paul Eggert
2020-07-02 20:55 ` Tassilo Horn
2020-07-04 2:53 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-04 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-05 2:35 ` Richard Stallman
2020-07-05 14:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-03 6:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-03 7:24 ` Tassilo Horn
2020-07-03 11:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-04 2:52 ` Richard Stallman
2020-06-30 22:09 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-07-01 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-02 9:00 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-07-02 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-02 13:44 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-07-03 0:48 ` Do pretests reach end users? (was: When will emacs 27.1 be officially released?) Dmitry Alexandrov
2020-07-03 6:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-03 9:59 ` Do pretests reach end users? Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-03 11:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-03 20:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-07-04 6:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-04 1:31 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2020-07-04 6:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-07-05 4:18 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2020-07-04 11:11 ` Phillip Lord [this message]
2020-07-05 4:23 ` Dmitry Alexandrov
2020-07-05 21:15 ` Phillip Lord
2020-07-05 16:55 ` Sean Whitton
2020-06-30 13:01 ` When will emacs 27.1 be officially released? Basil L. Contovounesios
2020-06-30 14:06 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-06-30 14:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-06-30 14:34 ` Rostislav Svoboda
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