From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eric S Fraga Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 14:23:05 +0100 Organization: On the Interweb somewhere Message-ID: <878sdlu3eu.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> <87tuwabm5a.fsf@gnus.org> <87pn6y5yfz.fsf@gmail.com> <87h7sa72s8.fsf@gnus.jao.io> <87sgbtao97.fsf@gnus.org> <878sdl7o4n.fsf@gnus.jao.io> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6037"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:QU7WyKnJ2aGZtCkQJyQTK3b5/qE= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 07 15:23:49 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFH7d-0001UK-H8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 15:23:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50228 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFH7c-0005IX-JB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 09:23:48 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34198) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFH74-0004rj-Qu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 09:23:14 -0400 Original-Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:44718 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFH72-0007uq-Vd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 09:23:14 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFH6z-0000oD-Sc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 15:23:09 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ X-Url: http://twitter.com/ericsfraga/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/07 09:23:10 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254636 Archived-At: On Monday, 7 Sep 2020 at 13:44, Jose A. Ortega Ruiz wrote: > Well, yes, but that cuts both ways: for new users with experience with > other editors or current environments, opening Emacs for the first time > amounts to a huge user interface change. Yes, but a decision consciously made by choosing to try a new tool whereas a change to the interface made to an existing user is without her conscious choice. But I'm one of those crusty/fusty Emacs users whose .emacs file (none of this new fangled .emacs.d or .config business ;-)) dates to the 1980s so I won't mind what happens as I'm sure I will be able to fix things to my satisfaction... -- Eric S Fraga via Emacs 28.0.50 & org 9.3.7 on Debian bullseye/sid