From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Mon, 07 Sep 2020 13:44:08 +0100 Message-ID: <878sdl7o4n.fsf@gnus.jao.io> References: <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus> <20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq@Ergus> <83lfhnnew7.fsf@gnu.org> <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> <20200906203807.u237c3h22oxwtmba@Ergus> <87tuwabm5a.fsf@gnus.org> <87pn6y5yfz.fsf@gmail.com> <87h7sa72s8.fsf@gnus.jao.io> <87sgbtao97.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33823"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 07 14:44:41 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kFGVl-0008d4-81 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 14:44:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36898 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFGVk-0002YM-9v for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 08:44:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52070) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFGVH-00027b-66 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 08:44:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41739) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kFGVG-000327-TW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 08:44:10 -0400 Original-Received: from cpc103058-sgyl39-2-0-cust254.18-2.cable.virginm.net ([94.173.216.255]:33744 helo=osgiliath.local) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA256:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kFGVG-0005nQ-Gw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2020 08:44:10 -0400 Original-Received: by osgiliath.local (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9DFA2402A0; Mon, 7 Sep 2020 13:44:08 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <87sgbtao97.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 07 Sep 2020 12:13:08 +0200") X-Attribution: jao X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett X-URL: X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:254629 Archived-At: On Mon, Sep 07 2020, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" writes: > >> IMHO, the odds that an experienced user of emacs would ditch it just >> because of a (for her, easily overriden) default change are virtually >> nil; with a new user, the situation is almost the opposite. > > I don't think we should underestimate how annoying user interface > changes can be. Well, yes, but that cuts both ways: for new users with experience with other editors or current environments, opening Emacs for the first time amounts to a huge user interface change. Cheers, jao -- Once you hear the details of victory, it is hard to distinguish it from a defeat. -Jean-Paul Sartre, writer and philosopher (1905-1980)