From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Philip K." Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:13:15 +0200 Message-ID: <878sddc1t0.fsf@posteo.net> References: <32292E31-1603-4EF9-B772-EBD378C32F76@gmail.com> <83o8mcfjxb.fsf@gnu.org> <83een8fi2u.fsf@gnu.org> <83blicfh1l.fsf@gnu.org> <837dt0f936.fsf@gnu.org> <20200911194852.sdtu3sthpdpkaijo@Ergus> <83zh5vedm8.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31558"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) Cc: ghe@sdf.org, Eli Zaretskii , casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 13 14:14:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kHQtb-00088E-6D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:14:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51428 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHQta-0003mi-8F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 08:14:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46064) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHQsq-0003J2-DD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 08:13:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:41331) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHQsn-0007Cm-Hw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 08:13:28 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5DA2E2400FD for ; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:13:22 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1599999202; bh=gMxWV2R9Aat0VqVwfN+ba9bS/7rzhkJjGPB3f/yQcig=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=X01btgncHg73nEWa7epwQTNfevplPRLq2CNNjrcsfDtS+Jq+JHCJWWXxhT8Z3mE3Q vFMthkB0F/ToNq3dFreyZtd1fyrvAoa1bQtq3vwtiLNjwee/FauORH0FvrAlr1a5P3 gY9K0qr8Csy+BjFhdlMYf8aHh4LPSG0l5ISOTgqto22wH4kYxaCG0KigiGO6WCVEez ZeiL+ngWVxf8wyMH6kZIREqgOLfMCBi8TjVC8p62hzCszH4LLFLgiR6LifSugrjdJz HdiJgy/11aEqKO4Tsj76DQmgP1rQRz5+qi2vajxwXJ/F99JaRFml46s65m46AO+2Z4 fIq6cGsMET74A== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Bq7gJ1NB8z6tm8; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 14:13:16 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: (Ergus's message of "Sat, 12 Sep 2020 11:33:03 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/09/13 06:08:41 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.11 and newer [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255466 Archived-At: Ergus writes: > IMO we should focus in at least 5-10 minutes users more than 3 minutes > ones. Because to focus in the 3 minutes ones emacs will require at > least a permanent visible bindings bar somewhere (like nano) or change > many things to make them familiar for external users. And we won't do > that I think :/ Why does that follow? And even so, if you have a video on "moving text", "help system basics" or "managing buffers", you're going to handle 3-4 keybindings and their functions at most, and that's something that could already be pasted into the scratch buffer (or some other buffer) to begin with. -- Philip K.