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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261096 Archived-At: Robert Pluim writes: >>> And perhaps there should be some menu to toggle the tool bar/scroll bars >>> on/off? That might be there already somewhere, but not in the menu >>> where it would make sense -- the Options menu... >> >> It's under Options->Show/Hide. In this UX experiment, this user was unable to find that option. More data! But all kidding aside, that's a pretty baroque menu system there, and putting the options for where the toolbar should be (!) in the same place is just odd. > Should we take this opportunity to either auto-save config changes > made via the menus, or put a big red button somewhere saying 'click > here to save settings', or prompt the user to save them when exiting? Yes. > (I=CA=BCve never really liked the toolbar enable/disable menu. How many g= ui > applications these days let you put the toolbar anywhere other than at > the top?) Yeah, that's weird, and shouldn't be in the menu. It's a detail best left to `M-x customize'. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no