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[78.207.202.134]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z22sm6634155wml.1.2020.12.17.00.20.32 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 17 Dec 2020 00:20:33 -0800 (PST) Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Gmane-Reply-To-List: yes In-Reply-To: <83sg858yjr.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 16 Dec 2020 19:12:56 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::332; envelope-from=rpluim@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x332.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261089 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Robert Pluim >> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org >> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 17:18:33 +0100 >> >> Should we take this opportunity to either auto-save config changes >> made via the menus, or put a big red button somewhere saying 'click >> here to save settings', or prompt the user to save them when exiting? > > What's wrong with Options->Save Options? Nothing, except that people have been conditioned to expect that changes in options get saved automatically, so we could do that for them if they make the changes via the menus. On a related note, perhaps 'save options' should be the last entry in the Options menu, to make it stand out more. Robert