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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262765 Archived-At: Arthur Miller writes: > Nice work, thanks! Glad you found it interesting :) > At least now we can rule out "windows like" shortcuts are important; > since CUA mode to be the least used. I can't say I can come to that conclusion myself with the data currently available. This is what I take away from the results: - CUA mode is used by a small fraction of the respondents - both a bias towards emacs-involved developers and survivor bias would be at play here - Keybindings were the most common term in the "Emacs learning difficulties" section Crucially: - We have no idea how many people were aware of CUA mode and how to enable it when they /just started/ Emacs. > Am I reading you correcnt when I interpret that TUI = Emacs in terminal? Indeed. > I am surprised in that case, since I experience Emacs GUI window as a > much better terminal, but might be just me :-). I have heard (and found) that TUI emacs can perform better than TRAMP (at least at the moment) over an SSH connection. Perhaps this has something to do with it? With the intake of Vim users, there could also just be a number of now-Emacsers who are familiar with working in a terminal. All the best, Timothy.