From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: 'M-o' ('facemap-keymap') has now been removed until March 10th 2021 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 05:16:03 +0100 Message-ID: <878s6lumf0.fsf@gnus.org> References: <87a6sbg41o.fsf@gnus.org> <87lfatirk1.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32640"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 18 05:17:31 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lMk6F-0008Oh-0b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 05:17:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38922 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMk6E-0001gC-1d for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 00:17:30 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37622) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMk50-0001Ag-Iy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 00:16:14 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:56050) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMk4z-0003Uf-0Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 00:16:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=vv8EacE9/1KDBHKl9hdechfIKwq1UFjQzXK1wVQoaL0=; b=g64gGDQxDvlfD+Hv7coQjtkSNX sSriPAh1wP6l2MlhGmFveGkmBI8lQSyp7qpncjCBe2mfLvpTuKcLWgy5LhC7HGTcy83JkchrX+Pqw Ca7o9OV676RiOqq+712Sev+vV+djJVbYy9nqPYUGHJ3N/8+5VlZsqlu4m2fZhX1+EcPo=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lMk4r-0007hm-1e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Mar 2021 05:16:07 +0100 X-Now-Playing: Kid606's _Should I kill myself or have a red bull: Live Set 2013_: "Part Five- 14. Godspeed you African-American emperor (KingBastard remix) 15. Tomorrow" In-Reply-To: <87lfatirk1.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 11 Mar 2021 17:27:42 +0100") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:266544 Archived-At: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > The test period is now over, so we should now discuss whether to make > the change permanent, and if so, whether we should bind any of the > affected commands to something else. We've now had a one week discussion period, so I've made some decisions. 1) Nobody wanted to keep the global `M-o' binding (facemenu), so I've removed that. 2) There was no clamouring to keep a global binding for `center-line' and `center-paragraph', so those that find those commands extremely useful will have to bind it themselves. 3) 99.7% of the discussion involved whether `font-lock-fontify-block' was useful or not. Apparently most people had never heard of it, but when they did hear of it, several said (I'm paraphrasing) "that sounds quite useful indeed, but it's a bit odd" (i.e., the "block" it fontifies doesn't seem ideal). Gregory suggested a variation on it, and that seems to work even better, so I've included it and bound it to `C-x x f'. (But those that really want `font-lock-fontify-block' will have to bind it themselves.) I've now pushed these changes. (And we no longer need to preload facemenu, I guess, so I'll try to remove that, but it's not totally trivial.) This concludes our first experimental test on the devel branch. The amount of feedback wasn't overwhelming, but we did get some -- and I guess the `M-o' command wasn't very popular, so I'm not really that surprised. So I think it was a moderately successful experiment, and we should use this way of trying out user interface changes more. The time periods seem OK to me -- one month for the experiment, and then one additional week for discussion at the end (so I guess it's really more like five weeks). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no