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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: 'M-o' ('facemap-keymap') has now been removed until March 10th 2021
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 05:16:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878s6lumf0.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lfatirk1.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 11 Mar 2021 17:27:42 +0100")

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> writes:

> The test period is now over, so we should now discuss whether to make
> the change permanent, and if so, whether we should bind any of the
> affected commands to something else.

We've now had a one week discussion period, so I've made some decisions.

1) Nobody wanted to keep the global `M-o' binding (facemenu), so I've
removed that.

2) There was no clamouring to keep a global binding for `center-line'
and `center-paragraph', so those that find those commands extremely
useful will have to bind it themselves.

3) 99.7% of the discussion involved whether `font-lock-fontify-block'
was useful or not.  Apparently most people had never heard of it, but
when they did hear of it, several said (I'm paraphrasing) "that sounds
quite useful indeed, but it's a bit odd" (i.e., the "block" it fontifies
doesn't seem ideal).  Gregory suggested a variation on it, and that
seems to work even better, so I've included it and bound it to
`C-x x f'.  (But those that really want `font-lock-fontify-block' will
have to bind it themselves.)

I've now pushed these changes.  (And we no longer need to preload
facemenu, I guess, so I'll try to remove that, but it's not totally
trivial.)

This concludes our first experimental test on the devel branch.  The
amount of feedback wasn't overwhelming, but we did get some -- and I
guess the `M-o' command wasn't very popular, so I'm not really that
surprised.

So I think it was a moderately successful experiment, and we should use
this way of trying out user interface changes more.  The time periods
seem OK to me -- one month for the experiment, and then one additional
week for discussion at the end (so I guess it's really more like five
weeks).

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-03-18  4:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 110+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-02-10 18:40 'M-o' ('facemap-keymap') has now been removed until March 10th 2021 Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-10 19:14 ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-10 19:19   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-10 19:38     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-10 19:47       ` Alan Mackenzie
2021-02-11 13:34 ` Richard Stallman
2021-03-11 16:27 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-11 16:53   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 17:02     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-11 17:29       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-12 12:09       ` Filipp Gunbin
2021-03-12 12:46         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-11 17:12     ` font-lock-fontify-block (was: 'M-o' ('facemap-keymap') has now been removed until March 10th 2021) Stefan Monnier
2021-03-11 17:34       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 17:52         ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Monnier
2021-03-11 18:17           ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-11 18:31             ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Monnier
2021-03-11 19:25               ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-11 19:45                 ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Monnier
2021-03-11 20:19                   ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-12  7:54                   ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-12 14:01                     ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Monnier
2021-03-12 14:23                       ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-12 14:58                         ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Monnier
2021-03-12 15:20                           ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-12 16:01                             ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Monnier
2021-03-12 16:09                               ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-12 16:39                                 ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Monnier
2021-03-12 16:53                                   ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-12 17:23                                     ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Monnier
2021-03-12 17:50                                       ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-12 17:59                                         ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Monnier
2021-03-12 18:19                                           ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-12 21:59                                             ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Monnier
2021-03-12 22:09                                               ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-13  0:08                                                 ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Monnier
2021-03-13  8:15                                                   ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-11 20:10           ` font-lock-fontify-block Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 20:19             ` font-lock-fontify-block Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-11 20:25               ` font-lock-fontify-block Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-11 21:57               ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-12  7:20                 ` font-lock-fontify-block Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-12  8:28                   ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-12 12:34                     ` font-lock-fontify-block Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-12 12:43                       ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-12 12:56                         ` font-lock-fontify-block Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-12 13:07                           ` font-lock-fontify-block tomas
2021-03-12 13:11                             ` font-lock-fontify-block Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-12 13:20                               ` font-lock-fontify-block tomas
2021-03-12 14:40                           ` font-lock-fontify-block Gregory Heytings
2021-03-12 14:51                             ` font-lock-fontify-block Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-12 13:06                         ` font-lock-fontify-block tomas
2021-03-12 13:54                           ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Monnier
2021-03-12 15:19                             ` font-lock-fontify-block tomas
2021-03-11 22:14             ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Monnier
2021-03-12  7:22               ` font-lock-fontify-block Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-12  7:49           ` font-lock-fontify-block Stefan Reichör
2021-03-11 17:37   ` 'M-o' ('facemap-keymap') has now been removed until March 10th 2021 Stefan Kangas
2021-03-11 18:25   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-17 16:32   ` Sean Whitton
2021-03-18  3:43     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-18  4:35       ` Sean Whitton
2021-03-18  4:40         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-18  4:16   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2021-03-18  9:00     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-18 10:27       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-19  7:46         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-19  8:06           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-19  9:35             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-19 12:01               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-20  7:58             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-20  8:39               ` Andreas Schwab
2021-03-20  8:45                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-03-20  8:58                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-20  9:10               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-18 13:28       ` Jean Louis
2021-03-18 14:45         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-18  9:45     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2021-03-18 13:25     ` Jean Louis
2021-03-18 23:03     ` Sean Whitton
2021-03-19 13:14     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-20  7:54       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-03-23 21:38 Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-23 22:07 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-23 23:08   ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-23 23:13     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-24  5:40       ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24  8:01         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-24  9:09           ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24  9:20             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-24  9:33               ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24  9:44                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-24 12:00                   ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24 12:12                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-24 12:35                       ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24 13:01                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-03-24 13:09                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-24 13:30                   ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24 15:14                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-24 15:38                       ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24 15:40                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-24 15:53                           ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24 21:47                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-24 17:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-24 21:58               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-25  6:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-25 14:03                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-24 13:07   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-24 13:41     ` Paul W. Rankin via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-24 13:53       ` Gregory Heytings

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