From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juri Linkov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Moving kbd to subr.el Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 10:02:49 +0300 Organization: LINKOV.NET Message-ID: <878rypjyke.fsf@mail.linkov.net> References: <20211004081724.6281.11798@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <874k9juy0r.fsf@gnus.org> <87mtnbtimj.fsf@gnus.org> <87wnmd13ny.fsf@gnus.org> <87sfx10xs6.fsf@gnus.org> <87h7dfpjn3.fsf@gnus.org> <31b2f1e94178d73e5f05@heytings.org> <87czo3pgs1.fsf@gnus.org> <31b2f1e9412d60db82df@heytings.org> <87o87moopl.fsf@gnus.org> <19fca5d18b63e6eff5de@heytings.org> <87wnmaiida.fsf@gnus.org> <87zgr6gw9s.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1chhhkh.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9740"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Cc: Gregory Heytings , Stefan Kangas , Stefan Monnier , Emacs developers To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 19 09:15:02 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mcjKw-0002LK-Au for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 09:15:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52946 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mcjKv-0001ti-7s for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 03:15:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51782) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mcjJW-0000Vb-KJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 03:13:34 -0400 Original-Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:43321) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mcjJV-0002w0-1e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 03:13:34 -0400 Original-Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C9795E000D; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 07:13:28 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <87r1chhhkh.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 19 Oct 2021 04:30:38 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.196; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay4-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:277339 Archived-At: >> The old string syntax for keys just sucks and we should work towards >> its reduction, even if it will stay with us for the foreseeable future. > > I totally agree that the old string syntax for keys sucks, but there is > no realistic way to phase it out. `kbd' was a nice attempt, but it's > not attractive enough as is. My hope is that the new syntax (which > gives you actual error messages if you do something wrong and stuff) > will spur conversion. The first step to phase the old syntax out would be to use the new syntax in define-keymap and defvar-keymap by default. This is nicer: "P" #'cvs-status-prev "M-n" #'cvs-status-next "M-p" #'cvs-status-prev "t" #'cvs-status-cvstrees than this: :kbd nil "P" #'cvs-status-prev ["M-n"] #'cvs-status-next ["M-p"] #'cvs-status-prev "t" #'cvs-status-cvstrees