From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar_Fuentes?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Can we give Eli a break, please? [ Was: Re: Development Speed ] Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 18:07:01 +0100 Message-ID: <878rwcy3ey.fsf@telefonica.net> References: <87sfulx86y.fsf@telefonica.net> <83h7b0ycwr.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0fwy6wi.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="13103"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:2yeTQAeHZBLHMAzBIqE0UPprLj8= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 22 18:08:40 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n056W-0003DQ-Cm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 18:08:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46636 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n056V-0002G2-7N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 12:08:39 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43174) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0559-0000rI-IK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 12:07:15 -0500 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:45648) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0557-000096-N6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 12:07:15 -0500 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n0555-0001HF-TC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 18:07:11 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282789 Archived-At: Alan Mackenzie writes: > Your last post comes over as one big moan. You moan about perfectly > valid decisions, some of which didn't turn out optimally. You moan about > perfectly valid decisions, full stop. That's your opinion. It's understandable that you talk about "perfectly valid decisions", since you were strongly vocal when those decisions were made and had a significant impact on them. Which is fine. > The main point of my post is that Eli is having to deal with a lot of > negative posting at the moment, I'm pretty sure that Eli: 1. knows how much I appreciate his work. 2. is quite capable of speaking for himself. 3. any observation on my messages is not addressed to him personally, but to the project as a whole, since a long time before he was the maintainer. BTW, I energetically lobbied for using bzr over git at the time and thought that debbugs were better than nothing. I was as wrong as the wrongest (non-)participant on those discussions. > We're approaching what is in large swathes of the world the "season of > goodwill". I'll refrain from expressing my opinion about the concept of seasonal goodwill. Finally, I will say that you are not the only one who feels entitled to moan and rant on emacs-devel :-)