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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:291195 Archived-At: David Engster writes: >>> So basically no one builds Org, including the manual, on their own >>> system? Even not the Org developers? >> >> Org releases are not frequent for most users and occasional build time >> should not matter too much. Nobody complained on the list. > > Well, for the record, I did complain, but that was over 11 years ago. :-) > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-12/msg01356.html Point taken. > I still think Org is way too slow to be a viable documentation system > for a project like Emacs. Things have changed since 2014. On my system, using Emacs 28 and latest Org, exporting org-manual + org-guide takes 18.8 sec. This time includes genering the .texi files and running texinfo. From that 18.8 sec, texinfo takes 3.4 sec to run. org export takes: 15.4 sec, which is 4.5 x texinfo time. Considering that Org export is more sofisticated compared to texinfo and that Org export is written in Elisp, I see this performance as acceptable for a documentation system. Best, Ihor