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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID ef036bc84935e2fd5df999c4860284a7; Sun, 21 Aug 2022 14:01:37 +0000 (UTC) In-Reply-To: <83wnb1bt96.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 21 Aug 2022 16:50:29 +0300") X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20560 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.163.191.147; envelope-from=luangruo@yahoo.com; helo=sonic304-21.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:293712 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Yes, AFAIK. But AFAIU it should be possible to call C++ functions > from a C program, given enough glue. The GUI parts requiring C++ can be neatly separated from the rest of the C code through such glue. That's how the Haiku port is implemented, see src/haiku_support.cc (where the majority of the GUI code is concentrated) and the callers of the extern "C" functions there in haikuterm.c. > Exactly. GCC already needs a C++ compiler to build, and so does GDB. > I see no problem requiring that for Emacs, if it will otherwise free > us from the GTK nightmares. Also, we don't have to require the Qt build. It can just be the default when the user has Qt and a C++ compiler, which everyone does these days.