From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master 3fd2b00a4b 2/2: ; * Makefile.in: Add "make bootstrap configure=default" as a first choice. Date: Mon, 19 Sep 2022 14:33:10 +0200 Message-ID: <878rmfv915.fsf@gnus.org> References: <166357331345.19427.12446846086384744693@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <20220919074155.2E6D7C00872@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org> <87bkrbzttm.fsf@gnus.org> <87wn9zyetq.fsf@gnus.org> <874jx3wvkj.fsf@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="28175"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: Stefan Kangas , Gregory Heytings , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Po Lu To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 19 14:39:45 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oaG3r-00079H-12 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 14:39:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47546 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaG3p-0002Ft-GO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 08:39:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48300) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaFxf-0005le-OF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 08:33:36 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:39906) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaFxe-0006CR-8D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 08:33:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5VJW5VGvGrl7S+GfUhYuSPQdhHHCOxuF8wDiaVbnM6c=; b=YW2WpGvM4X/J7+PkboQk0mcrKv olF5Geb/BvlKkCHlguefBEmU70tR3kyFHrIxefiiBTMlAI+ozs9FXy6o3U+m7Y3GqPOO5zfTshk6a cwRLgBQCcL5/sjN3m7tJ1Do0DW7Uj44LtfW850mUAtL7TwV0Tm0rFjmB9B7h+mOLnnLY=; Original-Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oaFxX-0000Tq-1E; Mon, 19 Sep 2022 14:33:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 19 Sep 2022 08:15:41 -0400") X-Now-Playing: Jesca Hoop's _Memories Are Now_: "The Lost Sky" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295681 Archived-At: Stefan Monnier writes: > `make bootstrap` should focus on fixing the bootstrap issues that can be > present in ELisp files. It's there so as to avoid the need for > a complete recompile-from-scratch for those of us who don't have > machines which can recompile the world under 2min. The difference in time between a "make bootstrap" and a "make extraclean; make" is about 0.5% in my tests (1m8.1s vs 1m7.7s). (The absolute time difference will vary, of course, but the percentage shouldn't, I'd imagine.) But, sure, the name doesn't really make much difference -- it'd just be nice to have instructions for users that are as clear and easy as possible. The current answer -- "make extraclean; make" isn't quite good enough, especially since that can fail if you've already done, say, a "bootstrap-clean". But since we've already advising people to say "make bootstrap", it'd be less of an adjustment for the few developers that need that extra 0.5% speed to adjust their typing to "make bootstrap-mostly", in my opinion.