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From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: emacs-29 b8d2ec920f: Revert "Improve last change to xfaces.c" (05ece1eb8b)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 19:08:55 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878rjcj2uw.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ec23ed3e958ddf1ca9ef@heytings.org> (Gregory Heytings's message of "Mon, 12 Dec 2022 10:42:17 +0000")

Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org> writes:

> It is telling that you "see no purpose" in discussing a change to code
> that was agreed upon after 300 posts in a bug report.

Sorry, but I don't see where in the discussion the use of a bitmask as a
variable was actually discussed.  My change does not touch any of the
code which was discussed.

> That variable is of no interest whatsoever to our users.  It is there
> only for debugging purposes, and is once again only meant to be used
> by the few users who understand subtle technicalities in the face
> realization code.

Then the best course of action is to just remove the variable.

> Aha.  That's your understanding of a "discussion", then: you say
> something, and act immediately, without waiting for a potential
> answer. And then claim that there was a "discussion" because you said
> something. Oh, in fact no, that's not even what happened: you reverted
> before saying anything.

Only because you reverted first.

> You would not ask that question if you had read the explanation in
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=59347#331.  And the fact
> you ask that question shows that you did not read it.

Anyway, AFAIK :font can be a font-entity and not a font-spec, in which
case it is definitely not okay to touch :extra under the Haiku font
backend: it contains two indices into the system-wide font and family
arrays which should not be changed.

> The relevant parts of that enum have not changed at all since they
> were introduced fifteen years ago.

And will you guarantee that will always be the case?

> Nobody should do that.  The docstring clearly said: "There is no
> reason to change that value except for debugging purposes."

Alas, what ``should'' be is very different from reality.  Someone will
set the unused bits to random garbage, and someone elses nice plan for
adding extra fields to a font object will be broken by that change.

> Oh yes, I see.  FONT_SPEC_MAX is (and has always been) 15, but
> clearly, for a reason that hasn't happened in the past fifteen years,
> "at some point in the future", it will become 30, and that will be
> problematic on 32-bit computers.  And you tell me that what I write is
> "nonsense".

It could change, and once it does I can almost guarantee that nobody
will think to update the ``obscure'' bitmask exposed to Lisp that users
``are not supposed'' to set.

> Anyway, I don't want to deal with this anymore.  I probably spent
> about 50 hours on that bug, that's more than enough.

Fair enough.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-12 11:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <167080778504.14972.16819452979975432761@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <20221212011625.58E8AC004B4@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org>
2022-12-12  2:41   ` emacs-29 b8d2ec920f: Revert "Improve last change to xfaces.c" (05ece1eb8b) Po Lu
2022-12-12  2:48     ` Po Lu
2022-12-12  9:09       ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-12  9:37         ` Issue building master Ergus
2022-12-12 13:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]             ` <2127787931.394320.1670853418624@mail.yahoo.com>
2022-12-12 14:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-12 15:49                 ` Ergus
2022-12-12 16:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-12 17:16                     ` Ergus
2022-12-12 10:05         ` emacs-29 b8d2ec920f: Revert "Improve last change to xfaces.c" (05ece1eb8b) Po Lu
2022-12-12 10:42           ` Gregory Heytings
2022-12-12 11:08             ` Po Lu [this message]
2022-12-12 10:18     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-12-12 10:29       ` Cool down, please [was: emacs-29 b8d2ec920f: Revert ...] tomas
2022-12-12 10:36       ` emacs-29 b8d2ec920f: Revert "Improve last change to xfaces.c" (05ece1eb8b) Po Lu
2022-12-12 10:48         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-12-12 13:44       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-12 15:03         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-12-12 15:13           ` tomas

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