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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:304445 Archived-At: Hi Eli, * Eli Zaretskii [2023-03-14; 14:30 +02]: >> From: Gregor Zattler >> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2023 19:14:28 +0100 >> >> Since you provide emacs-uptime at session end, I think >> it would be useful to know total Emacs idle time also. >> I have no idea if that's feasible, though. > > Why would it be useful, and what kind of information can we glean from > that? I thought about what you wrote in an earlier email: XXX garbage collections, meaning say one very minute, since you were using it only half the time. > I'm guessing that you assume when Emacs is idle it cannot possibly > cons any memory (which is true), but my point is different: did you > really see any production Emacs session that stays idle for prolonged > times? E.g., in the session where I'm typing this I have 10 timers, 5 > of which run at least once every 10 sec, and 3 run 2 or more times a > second. OK, when emacs is not idle in the above mentioned sense, then it makes no sense. Ciao; Gregor