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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305872 Archived-At: Tobias Bading writes: > Oh god, what have I done? XD > > But holding back isn=E2=80=99t one of my strong suites, so here goes noth= in=E2=80=99=E2=80=A6 > > The X Window System may have introduced and/or (re)used certain terms, li= ke > =E2=80=9Cnormal=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Ciconic=E2=80=9D for different state= s of top-level windows, but that > was ages ago. That the term =E2=80=9Ciconic=E2=80=9D was chosen is very u= nfortunate IMHO. > It contains the word =E2=80=9Cicon=E2=80=9D and thus suggests/implies tha= t a currently > invisible window is represented by some icon somewhere. Window managers l= ike > mwm may have chosen to actually represent invisible windows this way back > then. And yet, on my GNOME 3 desktop, iconified windows _are_ still represented by an icon placed within the dash area in the overview panel. ``Iconification'' is simply the more accurate term: there is nothing minimal about the huge previews displayed in the overview area, but the previews do correspond to icons. Not that I like GNOME's new design. I think it's horrible. Anyway, I don't object to explaining what we call ``minimized'', as long as it is confined to some short introductory text in the manual. But we should never use the term ``minimized'' ourselves. > Today, a lot of free software desktop environments, window systems, > window managers etc are available. Some may present invisible windows > as icons, others as buttons in window lists, a thumbnail in a dock, or A thumbnail, or a button containing an icon, is not/does not contain an icon?