From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Philip Kaludercic Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: contributing to Emacs Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 10:22:16 +0000 Message-ID: <878rchrrxj.fsf@posteo.net> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8fnh1h2.fsf@web.de> <83mt0zs9rc.fsf@gnu.org> <0a968a4e1b267c0f15dd237e6ea12a709fc06d5e.camel@yandex.ru> <838rcisj7o.fsf@gnu.org> <6537fa5fa5c1fe8437ed99ee0988e35895f5a54b.camel@yandex.ru> <8423a35750d8d8e0437c7708f6b4d0bbdfdb7fe0.camel@yandex.ru> <6981052a75913ea435ae2adaccdaa1c66252a6df.camel@yandex.ru> <6a22f3608f37e238ffbd20d6dead86d3aa76d01e.camel@yandex.ru> <96766e99bf2618cc4290498933c6e32bc2a0f98a.camel@yandex.ru> <83o7ldpcs8.fsf@gnu.org> <3c64fe534fee45ff75c9e2c3cece8e2ee146091e.camel@yandex.ru> <87bkhdnl94.fsf@posteo.net> <183ae6c17b4d07701e76003dc72c25d8d2705611.camel@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27329"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , ams@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Konstantin Kharlamov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 18 12:22:56 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qApYd-0006wG-Qz for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:22:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qApY9-0007ZV-5h; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 06:22:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qApY7-0007ZK-B1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 06:22:23 -0400 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qApY3-0000OZ-Qw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 06:22:23 -0400 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09FE9240027 for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:22:18 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1687083738; bh=If+AyG0eo3M/zdP4VhfnGso/uKEBu+Y0o84Wy8XB7QQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version: Content-Transfer-Encoding:From; b=glXFmBmXVvbj/IwvShfX9Zxgk8KBVCzsVpqEFo/vxS7p/BTrQSJ6tazTXTnhbow+S pwxmNVqrrSUeCIGNZ0UFlrNQ6GUdY7Qpq+wONotZnmsk3czp/6FfENtQb4VIJ35wHx H15LFiipQNaqPVSPZ0Y3/R9baVlwfOw3IoaqUUd6+x+TSVhC5+g50XpMxP+cX8KXxi 63tG1idd1xmbI1M4w11dAU/KvzY/O6pQZMjtQqwzXoQA88JuChNa+Ghuv87PdUNmv3 Xo63XpJJB9mRB3SWRZsqjQ5Imw4uF77av4B/guNf3CCjy+xGQpSdK2PMOJ+iOtpXpr WXR4qOCZATb5Q== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4QkTV122RYz6tvq; Sun, 18 Jun 2023 12:22:17 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <183ae6c17b4d07701e76003dc72c25d8d2705611.camel@yandex.ru> (Konstantin Kharlamov's message of "Sun, 18 Jun 2023 13:15:09 +0300") X-Hashcash: 1:20:230618:eliz@gnu.org::dm6sOLpFXiE+WtNC:1d84 X-Hashcash: 1:20:230618:emacs-devel@gnu.org::aQRIGhbAqN97mO4t:6SLo X-Hashcash: 1:20:230618:ams@gnu.org::hTGrhcEyok58Cewd:7R2N X-Hashcash: 1:20:230618:hi-angel@yandex.ru::6zGQjVOzyH8rgJpI:GbMt Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; keydata= mDMEZBBQQhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAHJuofBrfqFh12uQu0Yi7mrl525F28eTmwUDflFNmdui0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiWBBMWCAA+FiEEDg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwMFCQHhM4AFCwkI BwIGFQoJCAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwulikAEA77hloUiSrXgFkUVJhlKBpLCHUjA0 mWZ9j9w5d08+jVwBAK6c4iGP7j+/PhbkxaEKa4V3MzIl7zJkcNNjHCXmvFcEuDgEZBBQQhIKKwYB BAGXVQEFAQEHQI5NLiLRjZy3OfSt1dhCmFyn+fN/QKELUYQetiaoe+MMAwEIB4h+BBgWCAAmFiEE Dg7HY17ghYlni8XN8xYDWXahwukFAmQQUEICGwwFCQHhM4AACgkQ8xYDWXahwukm+wEA8cml4JpK NeAu65rg+auKrPOP6TP/4YWRCTIvuYDm0joBALw98AMz7/qMHvSCeU/hw9PL6u6R2EScxtpKnWof z4oM Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H5=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306950 Archived-At: Konstantin Kharlamov writes: > On Sun, 2023-06-18 at 10:00 +0000, Philip Kaludercic wrote: >> Konstantin Kharlamov writes: >>=20 >> > On Sun, 2023-06-18 at 08:20 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> > > > From: Konstantin Kharlamov >> > > > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, arne_bab@web.de, luangruo@yahoo.com, >> > > > emacs-devel@gnu.org >> > > > Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2023 01:39:17 +0300 >> > > >=20 >> > > > No. I measured specifically for you: "Sending Patches" alone is 58= 84 >> > > > characters >> > > > not counting bullets, and my email was 3491 characters. >> > >=20 >> > > When someone posts a patch, he or she is not requested to read that >> > > section, let alone pass some kind of exam on being familiar with it. >> > > I'm quite sure 99% of contributors don't even know that section exis= ts >> > > in the manual, and have never read it.=C2=A0 So the size of that nod= e is >> > > utterly irrelevant to how hard it is to contribute to Emacs. >> >=20 >> > You can't send a patch if you don't know how and where to send it =F0= =9F=98=8A So you >> > can't avoid reading that section. >>=20 >> I think `submit-emacs-patch' is supposed to help here.=C2=A0 > > You would need to know it exists. True, but that can be fixed. >> But I don't get how this is a Emacs/ML specific issue? > > We are discussing possible improvement to Emacs-specific contributing wor= kflow. My point is that this is an issue that all projects have in some sense or another. You always have to find out how they work, and what you need to do to submit a patch. One idea (but I don't know if this is practicable), is to use the configure script to set up Git's `sendemail.to' option or to add `vc-default-patch-addressee' to .dir-locals.el. --=20 Philip Kaludercic