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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307164 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > This description doesn't fit the reality. People who use the NS port > are quite disappointed by the problems that don't get solved, and I as > the maintainer cannot remain indifferent to their plight. It breaks > my heart that I can do almost nothing to facilitate the solution of > those problems. And mind you, no one thinks the NS problems are > "unimportant", we are just unable to fix them, even though we all > agree they are grave and should be fixed ASAP. > > So you might be indifferent to such problems, or consider them > "unimportant", but IMO any responsible maintainer will not; I > certainly am not. And if we envision such problems to happen sooner > rather than later to the Android port, we may wish to decide whether > we want this now, before the danger becomes real -- as it became with > other similar features. I'm not indifferent to those problems with the NS port: I hope that some day, they will be fixed. However, Emacs development _should_ be indifferent to them, as its goal is to develop a high quality text editor for the GNU operating system, and not specifically others. Which seems especially reasonable, considering that the reality of volunteer-driven development is that every port will usually be stuck with one maintainer, at least until that maintainer steps down. Thanks.