From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Danny Freeman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New Package for NonGNU-ELPA: clojure-ts-mode Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 17:56:57 -0400 Message-ID: <878r9u4xwi.fsf@dfreeman.email> References: <87il9kksqz.fsf@dfreeman.email> <83a5udlj47.fsf@gnu.org> <87a5udk1co.fsf@posteo.net> <835y51kslv.fsf@gnu.org> <7a82c524-1aa1-e755-e377-673ebb107a44@gutov.dev> <83r0nok8s4.fsf@gnu.org> <87il90znco.fsf@yahoo.com> <1977fbef-307b-bcf4-9448-64f26916dd65@gutov.dev> <87edjozlqq.fsf@yahoo.com> <43ddad10-49dd-1c49-ebfe-51689780b315@gutov.dev> <87msyciplu.fsf@posteo.net> <83h6okk3oe.fsf@gnu.org> <87edjoindn.fsf@posteo.net> <83bkesjwuk.fsf@gnu.org> <83bkeri1cz.fsf@gnu.org> <87cyz650pf.fsf@dfreeman.email> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34106"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Lynn Winebarger , Eli Zaretskii , bozhidar@batsov.dev, philipk@posteo.net, dmitry@gutov.dev, luangruo@yahoo.com, stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, manuel.uberti@inventati.org To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 29 00:16:13 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qakWr-0008gA-Bm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2023 00:16:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qakVz-0001H9-R9; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 18:15:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qakVt-00011c-24 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 18:15:14 -0400 Original-Received: from out-247.mta0.migadu.com ([2001:41d0:1004:224b::f7]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qakVm-0004QL-Pr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Aug 2023 18:15:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dfreeman.email; s=key1; t=1693260898; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=qH3AX1qeiT92+SECzk1Hv3sYPKn0vbATD2Hf1W+c5SY=; b=ETVcfyPVN3jtDJLtanL7/G2X1jChuRczHcqFA4O0CSgIu9V1NPao5ROZLNhz4g8R1WdLTw /WrLxRXN6C/RWHNB226cxifESknZvkJBVn4ZR7kupR8WV/ZtVGucTIi4ibdbd0wjFl4tee mHqdQ3hKW0h8cUMozk7bXxuAkYOpXvM= X-Report-Abuse: Please report any abuse attempt to abuse@migadu.com and include these headers. In-reply-to: X-Migadu-Flow: FLOW_OUT Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:41d0:1004:224b::f7; envelope-from=danny@dfreeman.email; helo=out-247.mta0.migadu.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:309460 Archived-At: Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora writes: > On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 10:15=E2=80=AFPM Danny Freeman wrote: > >> I would once again like to ask, who is asking for this? > > Noone. Noone asked that clojure stuff be forked or anything like that. People are literally suggesting exactly this in the comments above. > Just the core maintainers and the leader of the FSF project thought > it would be good if the flagship FSF project Emacs had some clojure > support under its umbrella, and invited your project to come on board. I'm not taking any issue with this. I was more than happy to answer questions about it at the start of this thread. If I were developing this on my own I would probably accept that invitation, but I'm not. > Many third-party projects that benefit from the incalculable amount > of work put in by FSF's developers and volunteers who have signed CAs > throughout almost 4 decades would find this invitation a privilege, > maybe in recognition that united we stand, divided we fall. But noone, > absolutely noone, can force you or coerce you to accept the invitation > or even stand in the way if you or Bozidhar want to pursue other > paths. And noone has done that. So no need for persecutory delusions > that the FSF secret police is going to extort CAs from your developers > to fork and undermine your project. The reason I wrote that is because in the message directly before mine from Lynn: >> Whether or not a derivative of clojure-mode is incorporated into core >> emacs is not the same question as whether the external clojure-mode >> project is subsumed into core emacs development. Given RMS's request >> to include a clojure mode as a core emacs feature, the required >> development effort could be spent either maintaining a derivative of >> the existing software/manuals/etc that complies with the emacs >> development process or developing the tooling from scratch. Assuming >> such development resources can be identified, then, as I wrote, the >> only real issue blocking the incorporation of (some derivative of) >> that software is the copyright assignment question, assuming any >> trademark-type issues on the names of the packages are resolved. is suggesting that someone could take on the task of obtaining CAs and forking. All I am asking is that NOT be done, not having "delusions". > Remember that NonGNU Elpa was > created by Emacs devs just to service projects like yours. And your > original request has been serviced already, free of charge. > > Jo=C3=A3o And I am very grateful my project was accepted into NonGNU Elpa. But now I am trying to act in what I believe are the best interests of clojure-mode by avoiding a fork. --=20 Danny Freeman