From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Emanuel Berg Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2023 23:46:22 +0100 Message-ID: <878r7eh2v5.fsf@dataswamp.org> References: <46ab3c7d-d820-4bb4-8ec4-97c614d7c8a0@alphapapa.net> <871qd8sfdx.fsf@posteo.net> <838r7g8pys.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcbrgnr.fsf@posteo.net> <25924.21015.19614.951576@orion.rgrjr.com> <87y1ffh905.fsf@dataswamp.org> <25925.20298.762180.948150@orion.rgrjr.com> <87edh6h92o.fsf@dataswamp.org> <25925.30006.441003.908216@orion.rgrjr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21086"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:XqOmlqm3MDOj/R+R0eHzg4QxBbQ= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 04 07:27:37 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qzA88-0005JT-QA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 04 Nov 2023 07:27:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qzA7J-0003sa-2A; Sat, 04 Nov 2023 02:26:45 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qz2vz-0007vC-P8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2023 18:46:38 -0400 Original-Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qz2vx-0008O1-Uc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2023 18:46:35 -0400 Original-Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qz2vu-0008RH-T5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Nov 2023 23:46:30 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ Mail-Followup-To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Mail-Copies-To: never Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 04 Nov 2023 02:26:43 -0400 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312185 Archived-At: Bob Rogers wrote: > I'm sorry I'm apparently unable to be more concrete about > explaining my impressions. Part of this is due to the > elapsed time. ISTR that, when I started reading Elisp in the > mid-90's, it had a "retro" feel compared to the other Lisps > I was using. As time went on, I've had to hit C-h f more and > more to understand what was going on, not only for language > features (pcase has been mentioned), but for editing > features like indirect buffers and overlays as they were > added -- not strictly part of the language, but again, > where's do you draw the boundary? To be honest, I have not seen any. >> Case in point, I don't see any such difference when I look >> at cl-lib.el? > > Between cl-lib.el and what? We have to get the Emacs 18 source so we can compare :) -- underground experts united https://dataswamp.org/~incal