From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: MPS and pgtk Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2024 22:01:15 -0400 Message-ID: <878qyfcm8k.fsf@dancol.org> References: <878qyr6ewh.fsf@disroot.org> <86h6df6izq.fsf@gnu.org> <86jziapu1b.fsf@aarsen.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27373"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arsenovi=C4=87?= , Eli Zaretskii , Ergus , gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, avityazev@disroot.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 06 04:02:33 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1sPuky-0006vJ-G6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 06 Jul 2024 04:02:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sPukA-0005iF-2U; Fri, 05 Jul 2024 22:01:42 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sPuk1-0005hw-Pk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Jul 2024 22:01:34 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1sPujz-0002lR-Sw; Fri, 05 Jul 2024 22:01:33 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date: References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lAP4paBPZe1LbwjWO15PcMEufyB4TdKBt3enKR+En7g=; b=X2PPaGKorr9YT33B1PyOKcVpI5 fnzToqdbT751+VEw+JmJ7ClGADsCLupo7OLtKLcoKmNqzw5KnT1i+1tSEtGvy0ZFiigcm1pMxvDu1 QWZCbkiq97gxbRlzmy95rVK2iTAafwgTPOQkcPZaam6Omnc8LcFxw8kofPfsSuK10J+xbrRjhv4Sb Vwh1Ep+WjHSpvvAVwDW5H1ndzTlhk003SbEv8SaiWJ/QW4CVSVuAmWyMsfDF8GkyoDj1Y6+cT6Mae HXBQNjNYQ9Aotx+JV5xTCs89b0913gp7xQZ8Xf5zbDrNFIw3SLeZHevCOSthL27e9Ih/S1sofRxLc n/m7Zd1w==; Original-Received: from 2603-9001-4203-1ab2-98c5-9928-840e-d57b.inf6.spectrum.com ([2603:9001:4203:1ab2:98c5:9928:840e:d57b]:34344 helo=localhost) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1sPujj-0002PI-KW; Fri, 05 Jul 2024 22:01:16 -0400 In-Reply-To: <871q47freu.fsf@> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar"'s message of "Sat, 06 Jul 2024 00:41:13 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2600:3c01:e000:3d8::1; envelope-from=dancol@dancol.org; helo=dancol.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:321401 Archived-At: Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar writes: > Arsen Arsenovi=C4=87 writes: > >> Hi, >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >>>> So, IMHO the pgtk support may be prioritized as it is the only way we >>>> support Wayland natively. >>>>=20 >>>> Not sure if there are plans or alternatives under consideration to >>>> change/improve pgtk, but if igc becomes an issue for it... we may >>>> rethink if we really want it looking to the future? >>> >>> Given the sorry state of Wayland and GTK support of what Emacs needs, >>> from my POV the PGTK configuration becomes less and less relevant to >>> Emacs. I'm aware that the world moves in the opposite direction, but >>> unless we get some help from Wayland/GTK developers, or, >>> alternatively, find ways to work around those limitations (unlikely, >>> IMNSHO), there's nothing we can do about this, and nothing we could >>> gain by "rethinking". If you care about these platforms, start >>> lobbying the respective development teams to cater more for Emacs and >>> its needs. >> >> I am curious about what these are, as I am quite interested in the >> further development of Wayland. IMO, X has overstayed its welcome, as >> it is flawed from the ground up, visibly (to the point where I was quite >> surprised the other day when I opened an X session to find noticeable >> issues handling mixed refresh rate, and flickering when windows were >> changing sizes or opening/closing). > > The biggest issue is IMHO the GTK developers as they limit the GDK > Wayland backend to the protocols that want and not what someone behind > their horizon want. > > Some feature Emacs wants like to know on which desktop a window is are > against what the GNOME people thing Wayland should be. Could just fork GTK.