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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:323225 Archived-At: Sean Whitton writes: > Anyway, it does indeed mark out writing as coming from a non-native user > of English. You see it relatively commonly in software contexts, > probably because lots of programmers are not native English speakers. AFAIK this construct is taught in the German education system, which probably gives rise to the bulk of its users. Not to imply that it isn't ungrammatical.